Hot fusion is well demonstrated and certainly not what we would want to see. Jones was suggesting that BECs might actually be demonstrated in some particular cases related to that nuclear test and it would be interesting to know if that was even possible. I have serious questions as to whether or not a BEC can lead to any form of fusion, but if there is evidence, then it might be informational.
Sometimes evidence for an unusual behavior can be revealed by a mostly unrelated effect. Your point is well taken about the hot fusion results which are very different. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Cc: Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature Please remember, we are discussing two entirely different reactions. Hot fusion does not care about the temperature or nature of the general environment. Only the energy of individual deuterons matters. The result are fragments of helium. This reaction was initiated in plasma produced by the atom bomb. Cold fusion can not occur in such an environment. Cold fusion, on the other hand, is very sensitive to the temperature of the environment, being more rapid at high temperature. It only occurs in condensed matter and produces helium without radiation. It is pointless and confusing to discuss hot- and cold-fusion at the same time. Ed On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:35 PM, David Roberson wrote: Low temperatures initially? Too bad it did not remain that way. Actually, I was seeking evidence of a low energy reaction. You did bring up an interesting point however. How would you expect the BECs to influence the overall reaction in this particular case? Could they have caused the yield to exceed expectations? Would that also tend to generate nasty radioactive elements that do not normally occur in other designs? We may be on to something that needs to be explored. I am attempting to get a handle on the equivalent pressure that would be required to force Ds to be in the proximity that they find themselves within if they share a hole within a metal matrix. This must be enormous compared to the density they exhibit at room temperature. Add this elevated pressure and laser cooling, or other methods that reduce the relative motion between them and something interesting might result. Then, of course there are random variations in the energy of Ds that naturally occur. It makes me wonder if being trapped in a tiny cavity would tend to allow instantaneous cooling to occur under the right circumstances. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:20 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature From: David Roberson This is why I ask whether or not fusion has been proven to occur with very low temperature deuterons. I am not aware that anyone makes that claim and it would add support to the other theory if proven. Yes – an early hydrogen bomb called “Mike” put millions of tons of radioactivity into the air in the fifties, creating untold numbers of health problems today - but that is probably not the answer you are looking for. Although the yield was surprising – so perhaps BECs were involved, come to think of it. BTW – “Mike” used liquid deuterium in a large thermos as the main fuel - with a small fission trigger. No tritium was needed. The output was over 10 megatons of TNT – and that exceeded all of the explosives used in WW II, including the small fission bombs dropped on Japan - which were similar to Mike’s trigger. About 95% of Mike’s energy came from the fusion of liquid deuterium at very low temperature - initially J Cough, cough…
