Clearly John Rohner claimed he had a self-running motor. Clearly Josef Papp claimed he had a self-running motor.
Just as clearly, since you responded to my message which mentioned Bob Rohner only, and laid it on the line that I had done reasonably diligent search for such claims from Bob Rohner, you are certain that Bob Rohner claimed he had a self-running motor. You are now obligated to support your position by pointing to any evidence of such claim by Bob Rohner. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: > ** ** > > Oh come on! He claimed he had a self-running motor. **** > > ** ** > > That is enough for fraud, if he took money based on that claim, and then > after many years of delay could not demonstrate a self-powering motor.**** > > ** ** > > Geeze – he does not have to use the word “overunity”. Your objection is a > total cop-out. This has nothing to do with laying blame on Papp.**** > > ** ** > > Did Rohner, or did he not, claim that he had an engine which will > self-power?**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* James Bowery **** > > ** ** > > Has Bob Rohner made any claims of having achieved over unity? **** > > ** ** > > When I visited him to get a reading on his personality, that was one of > the things I failed to get him to do. Nor was I able to find any case of > him making over unity claims on the net, nor in historic documents.**** > > ** ** > > AFAIK, if fraud was involved in Bob Rohner's branch of the tale it was > fraudulent patent filings by Papp himself, if not actual stage magic in > demonstrations of the engine.**** > > ** ** > > Please be careful when you make claims, as fact, that involve criminal > fraud.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Of course, Rohner will try to spin this as "suppression" ... LOL - but it > is > > the furthest thing from suppression. > > All he had to do to avoid this was to live up to the claims he made to > investors or even try to explain why he failed so many times. He could > never > show a running engine, and kept taking money based on the false claims and > lies that he had one. He was (or will be) busted for investment fraud just > like Mike Brady. > > In fact, the raid of this decades-old scam is overdue. It is often a > fine-line with new technology - where lots of leeway - tons of leeway - > should be given at first about claims, since there are always delays. But > this is a new version of an old scam going back decades. The Rohners > doubled-down on past failures with a poorly worded patent having no useful > content, and yet could show minimal real data. They had a cheesy engine > that > looks like a giant toy or studio prop, which does not work, but really > nothing else but lies and hot-air (poppers). > > The Rohners could have been shut-down years ago, at least so far as seeking > funds from new investors. Again, it is a fine-line but getting rid of > scammers is the only way that honest cutting edge researchers gets enough > support. There are "angel" funders out there, but often they do not see the > negative opinions, and then the scammers step in. A few of the long-time > scammers, like Greg Watson seem to have radar for avoiding the raid, but > Rohner did not. > > Essentially, Feynman's dramatic misdeed at the original the SoCal Papp demo > where there was a fatality in which Feynman was held responsible - that is > the underlying sentiment that the scammers have played on with Papp. But in > the end, anyone with half a brain could see through these Brothers, who > even > ratted on each other to provide some of the evidence that will be used. > > Yet part of the reason that they stole as much money as they did was lack > of > stronger criticism (and even occasional support) from special interest > groups like vortex. I posted half a dozen negative opinions, but was > surprised by the number regular posters here who fell for this. Some > poster, > like Axil were openly and strongly supportive. Even Sterling Allan > back-tracked on his early support of the Rohners. When Sterling finally > sees > the light on one of his former Top 10, run for cover. > > Barnum was right. Barnum lives on today in many guises, one of which is > Rossi ... AR's factory, you remember the one in Florida where he supposedly > has the robots churning out E-Cats :) ... is where a cynic (SWIM) could > easily predict that the next FBI raid will take place ... but only if (or > when) the "big investor" gets fed-up with the constant lies. These raids > are > always started by an investor who gets burnt, and one wonders - who it was > that finally turned on Bob?**** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Blanton > > "As of 10 AM March 5th, 2013 Inteligentry, LTD is closed until further > notice. At this time 12 or 14 FBI agents entered our building with > Guns drawn and at gun point herded us into the front room and sat us > down. Then they explained they were not there to arrest anyone but to > serve, and service, a "Search Warrant" And Confiscate documents and > materials so they could look at them for any "illegal" acts, ie. a > "Fishing" trip, for something to charge us with." > > http://www.inteligentry.com/report.html > > > **** > > ** ** >
