Even if he never made the claim explicitly, he wants people to infer he has such device. Unfortunately or fortunately (depending on your point view) the law doesn`t protect people from such mind games.
Harry On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM, James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > Clearly John Rohner claimed he had a self-running motor. Clearly Josef Papp > claimed he had a self-running motor. > > Just as clearly, since you responded to my message which mentioned Bob > Rohner only, and laid it on the line that I had done reasonably diligent > search for such claims from Bob Rohner, you are certain that Bob Rohner > claimed he had a self-running motor. > > You are now obligated to support your position by pointing to any evidence > of such claim by Bob Rohner. > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh come on! He claimed he had a self-running motor. >> >> >> >> That is enough for fraud, if he took money based on that claim, and then >> after many years of delay could not demonstrate a self-powering motor. >> >> >> >> Geeze – he does not have to use the word “overunity”. Your objection is a >> total cop-out. This has nothing to do with laying blame on Papp. >> >> >> >> Did Rohner, or did he not, claim that he had an engine which will >> self-power? >> >> >> >> >> >> From: James Bowery >> >> >> >> Has Bob Rohner made any claims of having achieved over unity? >> >> >> >> When I visited him to get a reading on his personality, that was one of >> the things I failed to get him to do. Nor was I able to find any case of >> him making over unity claims on the net, nor in historic documents. >> >> >> >> AFAIK, if fraud was involved in Bob Rohner's branch of the tale it was >> fraudulent patent filings by Papp himself, if not actual stage magic in >> demonstrations of the engine. >> >> >> >> Please be careful when you make claims, as fact, that involve criminal >> fraud. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Of course, Rohner will try to spin this as "suppression" ... LOL - but it >> is >> >> >> the furthest thing from suppression. >> >> All he had to do to avoid this was to live up to the claims he made to >> investors or even try to explain why he failed so many times. He could >> never >> show a running engine, and kept taking money based on the false claims and >> lies that he had one. He was (or will be) busted for investment fraud just >> like Mike Brady. >> >> In fact, the raid of this decades-old scam is overdue. It is often a >> fine-line with new technology - where lots of leeway - tons of leeway - >> should be given at first about claims, since there are always delays. But >> this is a new version of an old scam going back decades. The Rohners >> doubled-down on past failures with a poorly worded patent having no useful >> content, and yet could show minimal real data. They had a cheesy engine >> that >> looks like a giant toy or studio prop, which does not work, but really >> nothing else but lies and hot-air (poppers). >> >> The Rohners could have been shut-down years ago, at least so far as >> seeking >> funds from new investors. Again, it is a fine-line but getting rid of >> scammers is the only way that honest cutting edge researchers gets enough >> support. There are "angel" funders out there, but often they do not see >> the >> negative opinions, and then the scammers step in. A few of the long-time >> scammers, like Greg Watson seem to have radar for avoiding the raid, but >> Rohner did not. >> >> Essentially, Feynman's dramatic misdeed at the original the SoCal Papp >> demo >> where there was a fatality in which Feynman was held responsible - that is >> the underlying sentiment that the scammers have played on with Papp. But >> in >> the end, anyone with half a brain could see through these Brothers, who >> even >> ratted on each other to provide some of the evidence that will be used. >> >> Yet part of the reason that they stole as much money as they did was lack >> of >> stronger criticism (and even occasional support) from special interest >> groups like vortex. I posted half a dozen negative opinions, but was >> surprised by the number regular posters here who fell for this. Some >> poster, >> like Axil were openly and strongly supportive. Even Sterling Allan >> back-tracked on his early support of the Rohners. When Sterling finally >> sees >> the light on one of his former Top 10, run for cover. >> >> Barnum was right. Barnum lives on today in many guises, one of which is >> Rossi ... AR's factory, you remember the one in Florida where he >> supposedly >> has the robots churning out E-Cats :) ... is where a cynic (SWIM) could >> easily predict that the next FBI raid will take place ... but only if (or >> when) the "big investor" gets fed-up with the constant lies. These raids >> are >> always started by an investor who gets burnt, and one wonders - who it was >> that finally turned on Bob? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Terry Blanton >> >> "As of 10 AM March 5th, 2013 Inteligentry, LTD is closed until further >> notice. At this time 12 or 14 FBI agents entered our building with >> Guns drawn and at gun point herded us into the front room and sat us >> down. Then they explained they were not there to arrest anyone but to >> serve, and service, a "Search Warrant" And Confiscate documents and >> materials so they could look at them for any "illegal" acts, ie. a >> "Fishing" trip, for something to charge us with." >> >> http://www.inteligentry.com/report.html >> >> >> > >
