Axil, Jones IMHO the truth lies between both your positions. Someone got their feelings hurt and along with the escalation in name calling we are turning into syntax police.. I don't believe in orbitals below the ground state either but we have been over this before and f/h is a better generic description that can encompass relativistic hydrogen or Inverse Rydberg concepts.. I don't know why it shrinks in steps equivalent to orbitll shells but am fairly certain it is relativistic - a Lorentzian contraction from our perspective. I am convinced Naudts paper nailed the hydrino as relativistic and not sub ground state. We just aren't accustomed to a perspective where we are the paradox twin sitting motionless near the event horizon while the gas atoms in the "NAE" see themselves as existing in normal space time..unaware of how accelerated they appear to us. It explains the anomalous half life reports as well.
Likewise the argument over NAE is knit picking, powder isn't the only way to get the geometry, it happens on the electrodes in electrolysis and it happens to the gases in a SPICE engine and it is probably happening in sonoluminescence where the conductive miniscusii surrounding the bubble take on the roles of Casimir plates. Jones did make an issue regarding the gases in the Papp engine being sealed vs not sealed in SPICE but both I was under the impression both were based on exotic gas mixtures forming exothermic geometries and then reforming with negligible consumption..perhaps mass to energy or perhaps zero point.. the jury is still out. And you can both blast me if you disagree.. I have grown a thick skin over the years. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:23 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Serendipity, Hexavalency and E-Cat Regarding Jones' theories on LENR. Your evaluation of Mr. Beene's commentary is subjective and misguided. Jones has been popularizing and invalid LENR theory purported by Mills that is not scientific for way to long. Every LENR system including Mills nickel powder requires in some form or another nuclear active sites (NAE) to produce heat. Like other LENR systems Mills powder requires heat to start the LENR reaction. And like other LENR systems, these nuclear active sites are destroyed; the nickel powder must be completely reformulated to become active again. In this reformulation process, the nuclear active sites are rebuilt. Mills powder is just another LENR system that drives off of polaritons working inside a nuclear active environment Hydrinos are a fantasy inspired by a misunderstanding about the blue shifting in spectroscopic data produced by polaritons. All this fractional electron level nonsense is counterproductive and hurts the prospects for the acceptance of LENR by main stream science. If this is quality commentary, you are mistaken. I have had an open mind to in considering seriously the hydrino theory for more than a year now but it is becoming increasingly tiresome. With the rise of the polariton theory at NASA, W&L. and others the time of the hydrino is over. The Hydrino is clearly an outlier theory that takes advantage of a real Nanoplasmonic reaction to claim credibility through misinterpretation. Now, Jones wants to connect the hydrino to the Ni/H reactor. It is more proper to connect Mills powder to what is going on inside the Ni/H reaction and forget about fractional hydrogen. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Terry Blanton <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > When someone resists your bullying, you want them to leave the forum rather > than discuss the issue in an tolerant manor. I believe you misinterpret Jones writings. I have seen no evidence of bullying. The written word in an imperfect method of communication. I often read things into a message which is unintended by the author. Over the past few years I have enjoyed both your and Jones' theories on LENR. While you certainly lead on quantity, I must give the quality award to Mr. Beene.
