The heat distribution inside the cat is superfluidic.
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:04 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>wrote: > If we’re talking about ON/OFF mag-fields making it inside the reactor, and > the presence of very small ferromagnetic particles, I could easily see the > particles becoming aligned with the field, and **equally spaced** and > perhaps even suspended(?)… we all know that geometry has something to do > with it! **** > > ** ** > > Man, all sorts of images are flooding in now… like, do NAEs within the > aligned/equally-spaced/suspended particles undergo the reaction, but then > one has to let them all fall to the floor to distribute the heat to reactor > walls?**** > > ** ** > > -Mark Iverson**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 2:54 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the > power input?**** > > ** ** > > I think we are getting somewhere in this investigation by looking at the > subtle and not so subtle effects of low frequency waves.**** > > ** ** > > A search of the Dardik superwave information shows that many of the > carrier waves are low frequency. Some are very low. **** > > ** ** > > The classic example is the “rogue wave” in the Ocean which is not just > subhertz but a few per year.**** > > ** ** > > And yes the trouble with “deconstructing Andre” is that he is fond of > mixing truth, half-truth, and intentional decoy information… sometimes in > the same sentence.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* David Roberson **** > > ** ** > > A steady state magnetic field will penetrate the stainless steel. A time > changing one will be attenuated as eddy currents induced within the metal > generate a reverse field that counters the source field to an extent that > depends upon the rate of change of that field.**** > > **** > > The metal thickness is also crucial to the ultimate level of shielding.*** > * > > **** > > Mark, as you say the changes in the PWM waveform that occur at a slow rate > will find their way inside. I am not confident that this is a mechanism > that Rossi uses, but it might have some effect.**** > > **** > > It appears strange that Rossi does not wish to reveal the resistor drive > waveforms. Perhaps he is using a moderate frequency drive signal for some > reason that we are unaware of, only he knows.**** > > **** > > One thing is obvious, he likes to keep us guessing.**** > > **** > > Dave**** > > -----Original Message----- > From: MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 5:18 pm > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the power > input?**** > > Mr. Lynn,**** > > You’re a bit too quick on the trigger…**** > > **** > > Let me repeat myself, a **magnetic** field WILL penetrate most austenitic > stainless steels.**** > > **** > > However, I know that a static mag-field is not the same as the magnetic > component of an oscillating EM field, so I called a colleague who worked > for Varian for 40 years, and who has a lot of magnetics expertise. He said > that static, and possibly VLF, magnetic fields will penetrate nonmagnetic > stainless steels, but that the magnetic component of EM waves of any > significant frequency will probably not.**** > > **** > > Another consideration, and I think this was mentioned in the Collective > two (or was it three) years ago right after Rossi’s first January > demonstration, is that when the electrical resistance heaters are energized > (with DC), they will generate a mag-fld around them. This can probably be > considered a static mag-field, and will likely penetrate the non-magnetic > 310 stainless cylinder, so the internal core of the reactor may very well > feel this PWM-modulated field.**** > > **** > > -Mark Iverson**** > > **** > > *From:* Robert Lynn > [mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com<robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com?>] > > *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 10:57 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the > power input?**** > > **** > > To repeat myself, there will be no significant em field penetrating the > reactor. So don't try to fool yourself that there is some special secret > about using em fields to instigate or promote the reaction, also Rossi has > claimed in past to have it running using gas heating. Rossi's setup only > allows for heat to get in. The skin depth of the 3mm thick SS vessel will > exclude all fields above probably about 100-200Hz entirely, and will > greatly attenuate lower frequencies as well (DC would get through) but the > surrounding magnetic fields in the resistors themselves are very weak > anyway. (not that many turns). **** > > **** > > If he wanted or needed magnetic fields to penetrate the reactor then he > would not be using spiral wound resistors arrayed around the reactor > vessel, he would have a coil wound around the reactor vessel.**** > > **** > > As such preventing measurement of current and voltage through the heating > resistors looks very suspicious - as there is nothing there to be sensibly > hidden if we take him at his word.**** > > **** > > On 24 May 2013 17:56, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:**** > > Looks like Dardik’s superwave tech is an application – not a granted patent > **** > > **** > > > http://www.google.com/patents/US20080316782?dq=energetics+dardik&ei=LJufUbHwM8XsiwLe5oDgDg&cl=en > **** > > **** > > **** > > Mark,**** > > **** > > In the end – it looks to me like the secrecy about the wave-from was > probably due to similarity to the Energetics patent and not a “trade > secret” per se; and that Rossi is using the magnetic properties of the > waveform to stimulate the nickel powder, which is itself ferromagnetic. ** > ** > > **** > > Would you agree?**** > > **** > > SS spec sheet:**** > > **** > > > http://www.northamericanstainless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Grade-310S-314.pdf > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint **** > > **** > > “It is possible that RF would pass through these ceramics, no?”**** > > Yes, more than likely that RF could pass thru a ceramic, however, if > electrically conductive, then probably not. **** > > **** > > An E or B field will most likely go thru the ceramics, but the reactor > vessel is stainless steel:**** > > **** > > “The most important element of the E-Cat HT was lodged inside > the structure. **** > > It consisted of an AISI 310 steel cylinder, 3 mm thick and 33 mm in > diameter, housing the powder **** > > charges. Two AISI 316 steel cone-shaped caps were hot-hammered > in the cylinder, sealing it **** > > hermetically. Cap adherence was obtained by exploiting the higher thermal > expansion coefficient **** > > of AISI 316 with respect to AISI 310 steel.”**** > > **** > > End caps are made of 316 due to greater coef of thermal expansion:**** > > 310: 15.5x10-6**** > > 316: 16.5x10-6**** > > **** > > For our noninvasive glucose sensor, we used a Ni-plated soft iron housing > which acts as both a faraday cage to shield outside EM, and to complete a > magnetic flux circuit which channels the flux from internal permanent mags. > **** > > **** > > Since stainless is only about 50% Fe, a mag fld should penetrate it, but > due to its electrical conductivity, an E-fld would not. In that case, is > he using magnetic properties to help control the reaction? Is it causing > alignment of grains, or forcing dipole oscillations to be aligned?**** > > **** > > -Mark**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* Jones Beene **** > > **** > > Robert Lynn wrote:**** > > **** > > And all of the resistive heating elements are positioned around it, so > they do nothing but deliver heat to the reactor contents - no special > magnetic or electrical excitation can pass through the reactor vessel. ** > ** > > **** > > There is still confusion on that point. From Forbes article: **** > > **** > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/05/20/finally-independent-testing-of-rossis-e-cat-cold-fusion-device-maybe-the-world-will-change-after-all/ > **** > > **** > > They described the E-Cat HT as a cylinder having a silicon nitride ceramic > outer shell, 33 cm in length, and 10 cm in diameter. A second cylinder made > of a different ceramic material (corundum) was located within the shell... > **** > > **** > > It is possible that RF would pass through these ceramics, no?**** > > **** >
