On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The boiling point of nickel is not related to superfluidity. The > polaritron condensate is where superfluidity come from. Any condensate > will be superfluidic in the volume that it covers. > > I know, but in the other post you said a superfluid can't boil (i.e. produce bubbles) when heated. My point is ordinary fluids don't bubble either until they reach their boiling point, so an absence of bubbles doesn't prove a fluid is a superfluid. Harry > > On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Axil, >> This addresses an earlier post you made. >> The boiling point of nickel is about 2700 C and the melting is about >> 1400 C. Ecat fuel never reaches temperatures close to the boiling point so >> you don't need to suppose bubble formation is suppressed because >> the fuel behaving a like a superfluid. >> >> harry >> >> >> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The heat distribution inside the cat is superfluidic. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:04 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint >>> <zeropo...@charter.net>wrote: >>> >>>> If we’re talking about ON/OFF mag-fields making it inside the reactor, >>>> and the presence of very small ferromagnetic particles, I could easily see >>>> the particles becoming aligned with the field, and **equally spaced** >>>> and perhaps even suspended(?)… we all know that geometry has something to >>>> do with it! **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Man, all sorts of images are flooding in now… like, do NAEs within the >>>> aligned/equally-spaced/suspended particles undergo the reaction, but then >>>> one has to let them all fall to the floor to distribute the heat to reactor >>>> walls?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> -Mark Iverson**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 2:54 PM >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> >>>> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the >>>> power input?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> I think we are getting somewhere in this investigation by looking at >>>> the subtle and not so subtle effects of low frequency waves.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> A search of the Dardik superwave information shows that many of the >>>> carrier waves are low frequency. Some are very low. **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> The classic example is the “rogue wave” in the Ocean which is not just >>>> subhertz but a few per year.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> And yes the trouble with “deconstructing Andre” is that he is fond of >>>> mixing truth, half-truth, and intentional decoy information… sometimes in >>>> the same sentence.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> *From:* David Roberson **** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> A steady state magnetic field will penetrate the stainless steel. A >>>> time changing one will be attenuated as eddy currents induced within the >>>> metal generate a reverse field that counters the source field to an extent >>>> that depends upon the rate of change of that field.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> The metal thickness is also crucial to the ultimate level of shielding. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Mark, as you say the changes in the PWM waveform that occur at a slow >>>> rate will find their way inside. I am not confident that this is a >>>> mechanism that Rossi uses, but it might have some effect.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> It appears strange that Rossi does not wish to reveal the resistor >>>> drive waveforms. Perhaps he is using a moderate frequency drive signal for >>>> some reason that we are unaware of, only he knows.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> One thing is obvious, he likes to keep us guessing.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Dave**** >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> >>>> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>>> Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 5:18 pm >>>> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the >>>> power input?**** >>>> >>>> Mr. Lynn,**** >>>> >>>> You’re a bit too quick on the trigger…**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Let me repeat myself, a **magnetic** field WILL penetrate most >>>> austenitic stainless steels.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> However, I know that a static mag-field is not the same as the magnetic >>>> component of an oscillating EM field, so I called a colleague who worked >>>> for Varian for 40 years, and who has a lot of magnetics expertise. He said >>>> that static, and possibly VLF, magnetic fields will penetrate nonmagnetic >>>> stainless steels, but that the magnetic component of EM waves of any >>>> significant frequency will probably not.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Another consideration, and I think this was mentioned in the Collective >>>> two (or was it three) years ago right after Rossi’s first January >>>> demonstration, is that when the electrical resistance heaters are energized >>>> (with DC), they will generate a mag-fld around them. This can probably be >>>> considered a static mag-field, and will likely penetrate the non-magnetic >>>> 310 stainless cylinder, so the internal core of the reactor may very well >>>> feel this PWM-modulated field.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> -Mark Iverson**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> *From:* Robert Lynn >>>> [mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com<robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com?>] >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 10:57 AM >>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the >>>> power input?**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> To repeat myself, there will be no significant em field penetrating the >>>> reactor. So don't try to fool yourself that there is some special secret >>>> about using em fields to instigate or promote the reaction, also Rossi has >>>> claimed in past to have it running using gas heating. Rossi's setup only >>>> allows for heat to get in. The skin depth of the 3mm thick SS vessel will >>>> exclude all fields above probably about 100-200Hz entirely, and will >>>> greatly attenuate lower frequencies as well (DC would get through) but the >>>> surrounding magnetic fields in the resistors themselves are very weak >>>> anyway. (not that many turns). **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> If he wanted or needed magnetic fields to penetrate the reactor then he >>>> would not be using spiral wound resistors arrayed around the reactor >>>> vessel, he would have a coil wound around the reactor vessel.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> As such preventing measurement of current and voltage through the >>>> heating resistors looks very suspicious - as there is nothing there to be >>>> sensibly hidden if we take him at his word.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> On 24 May 2013 17:56, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Looks like Dardik’s superwave tech is an application – not a granted >>>> patent**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.google.com/patents/US20080316782?dq=energetics+dardik&ei=LJufUbHwM8XsiwLe5oDgDg&cl=en >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Mark,**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> In the end – it looks to me like the secrecy about the wave-from was >>>> probably due to similarity to the Energetics patent and not a “trade >>>> secret” per se; and that Rossi is using the magnetic properties of the >>>> waveform to stimulate the nickel powder, which is itself ferromagnetic. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Would you agree?**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> SS spec sheet:**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.northamericanstainless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Grade-310S-314.pdf >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> “It is possible that RF would pass through these ceramics, no?”**** >>>> >>>> Yes, more than likely that RF could pass thru a ceramic, however, if >>>> electrically conductive, then probably not. **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> An E or B field will most likely go thru the ceramics, but the reactor >>>> vessel is stainless steel:**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> “The most important element of the E-Cat HT was lodged inside >>>> the structure. **** >>>> >>>> It consisted of an AISI 310 steel cylinder, 3 mm thick and 33 mm in >>>> diameter, housing the powder **** >>>> >>>> charges. Two AISI 316 steel cone-shaped caps were hot-hammered >>>> in the cylinder, sealing it **** >>>> >>>> hermetically. Cap adherence was obtained by exploiting the higher >>>> thermal expansion coefficient **** >>>> >>>> of AISI 316 with respect to AISI 310 steel.”**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> End caps are made of 316 due to greater coef of thermal expansion:**** >>>> >>>> 310: 15.5x10-6**** >>>> >>>> 316: 16.5x10-6**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> For our noninvasive glucose sensor, we used a Ni-plated soft iron >>>> housing which acts as both a faraday cage to shield outside EM, and to >>>> complete a magnetic flux circuit which channels the flux from internal >>>> permanent mags.**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Since stainless is only about 50% Fe, a mag fld should penetrate it, >>>> but due to its electrical conductivity, an E-fld would not. In that case, >>>> is he using magnetic properties to help control the reaction? Is it >>>> causing alignment of grains, or forcing dipole oscillations to be aligned? >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> -Mark**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> *From:* Jones Beene **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> Robert Lynn wrote:**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> And all of the resistive heating elements are positioned around it, so >>>> they do nothing but deliver heat to the reactor contents - no special >>>> magnetic or electrical excitation can pass through the reactor vessel. >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> There is still confusion on that point. From Forbes article: **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/05/20/finally-independent-testing-of-rossis-e-cat-cold-fusion-device-maybe-the-world-will-change-after-all/ >>>> **** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> They described the E-Cat HT as a cylinder having a silicon nitride >>>> ceramic outer shell, 33 cm in length, and 10 cm in diameter. A second >>>> cylinder made of a different ceramic material (corundum) was located within >>>> the shell...**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> It is possible that RF would pass through these ceramics, no?**** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>> >>> >> >
