Thanks, Mark That's relief.
But, as the discussions at the meeting indicate, we need to prepare for the inevitable - the consequences are too dire not to. The following arxiv-preprint indicates that Carrington-type magnetic storms about once every 500 years - "Occurrence rate of extreme magnetic storms" http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.4417 -- Lou Pagnucco Mark Gibbs wrote: > See http://spaceweather.com/ ... it's bogus. > > [mg] > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> David, >> >> You probably did not listen to the video >> - the scenarios they discuss are not as upbeat as yours. >> There are a number of additional videos/articles on the subject. >> Quite a few experts paint a much grimmer picture of what happens after >> an extreme event - no power, no transportation, no communication, no >> food, >> no replacement generators, total civil disorder, .... >> Safety systems at nuclear plants would only run for a month or so - >> then, >> as discussed in the meeting we "would have Fukushimas all over the >> country." >> >> >> David Roberson wrote: >> > I would hope that a backup system would kick in if the grid went down. >> > Battery operation kept the Fukushima reactors safe for a few hours and >> had >> > the diesels been functional, there might not have been such a mess. >> > >> > >> > There are varying levels and types of EMP to worry about. EMP from a >> > nuclear weapon most likely would behave quite differently from that >> > sourced by a solar flare. The EMP fields from nuclear weapons are >> > instantaneously generated with the associated extremely rapid >> waveforms. >> > Is there any reason to suspect that those originating from a solar >> > eruption would be similar? My guess is that a large, long term, but >> > slowly changing field would be easy to defend against. All of the >> > problems would appear almost DC related instead of high energy >> microwave >> > like. For instance radios would not even be dangerously damaged with >> > solar related issues. >> > >> > >> > Transformer overloads would be likely, and so would transmission >> lines, >> > and other long distance metallic paths. This would be bad, no doubt, >> but >> > not likely to blow up the diesel systems and their controls. The >> battery >> > backups should survive without serious harm either. >> > >> > >> > So, we could expect serious problems with power transmission that >> lasts >> > until the components are repaired, but I doubt a nuclear catastrophe. >> > >> > >> > Dave >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ChemE Stewart <[email protected]> >> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 7:03 pm >> > Subject: [Vo]:(Video) Catastrophic solar flare narrowly misses Earth >> > >> > >> > They ought to be working on it now. In 1859 many/most had access to >> farms >> > for food and did not rely on electricity/electronics for almost >> > everything. Today we have millions of people racked and stacked in >> cities >> > totally reliant on a power infrastructure that could be knocked out >> for a >> > year or more. A large flare is going to happen. Fukushima was a good >> > example of how woefully unprepared a power company is if there is a >> loss >> > of grid power and diesel backup. I wonder if those diesel gensets >> have >> > electronic ignitions that will still function? I used to work for >> > Honeywell, what if the control system gets fried? I still remember >> those >> > helicopters dumping loads of water on top of the reactors, how >> effective >> > was that? >> > >> > On Thursday, August 1, 2013, wrote: >> > >> > Dave, >> > >> > I don't think ChemE is being gloomy. >> > Starting at 0:48:42 in the video, someone remarks - >> > "... A general EMP would have Fukushimas all over the country." >> > >> > One recent paper in arxiv indicated that the probability of such an >> > event in a human lifetime is not that small. >> > >> > The video shows that the elites are abandoning "normality bias". >> > As they stated, for less than $2B, the grid could be hardened. >> > That's money well spent. >> > >> > -- Lou Pagnucco >> > >> > Dave Roberson wrote: >> >> No need to be so gloomy ChemE. We have survived thus far. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: ChemE Stewart <[email protected]> >> >> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thu, Aug 1, 2013 4:36 pm >> >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:(Video) Catastrophic solar flare narrowly misses >> Earth >> >> >> >> >> >> There will come a day. It probably won't be the EMP directly that >> gets >> >> us. It will be untold numbers of fission reactors that cannot get >> their >> >> backup batteries and diesel generators to run, or enough diesel fuel, >> >> which will lead to multiple meltdowns and will be the end to life as >> we >> >> know it. >> >> [...] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >
