You need to understand the complexity of Rossi's ECAT in order to see how your 
last paragraph will not work.   His ECAT is either heading toward thermal run 
away or cooling off to room temperature without having drive power applied.  It 
will not just cool off and then reheat by itself as you suggest due to the 
action of positive feedback.  We have discussed some possible forms of active 
cooling that might work, but none have been proven thus far.

Also, it is not such a simple task to put together a system that is self 
running.  You might ask yourself why the reactors in Japan had such a hard time 
when the input power was interrupted by the Tsunami.  They are certainly 
capable of internally producing much more power than required to drive the 
control rods.  The ECAT suffers from a somewhat similar issue and why should 
Rossi go to the time consuming trouble of making a system for a few skeptics?  
He has demonstrated his ECAT many times which should convince most open minded 
people that the device is real.  Many of us have issues with his 
demonstrations, but the evidence that he has something functioning is strong.

Wait a little longer and the final proof will emerge that should convince just 
about everyone on the Planet.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: jwinter <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 12:07 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Rossi / Defkalion Calorimetry Nonsense


Let us suppose that some inventor built an over-unity electric 
motor-generator pair.  And suppose that the input to the motor was 12 
volts DC at 1 amp, and the output from the generator into a resistive 
load was say 24 volts DC at 3 amps (ie 6 times over-unity).  Wouldn't 
you think it a little bit suspicious that those in charge of the 
invention never closed the energetic loop by simply feeding some 
proportion of the output back to the input!?

But they say, we can't do that because it would run away and 
self-destruct.  But surely one could think of a solution such as a 
centrifugal brake, or a fan (which is also a non-linear load) to keep it 
under control.  To find the same proponents, years later, still trying 
various different methods of separately measuring the output power, and 
arguing about how the input power measurement might have been cheated 
on, would stretch incredulity to the limit don't you think!

And yet that is exactly what Rossi / Defkalion / Vortex / etc have been 
doing for the last few years.  What is wrong with everybody!?

The input power is simply heat, and the output power ... why that is 
also heat!!!  Now why doesn't someone near the action insist that a 
proper test would be to simply "feed some of the output back to the 
input and let it self-run"!?

Because it will thermally run-away and self-destruct?  Of course it will 
- as will just about every single internal combustion engine in 
existence if you don't provide some means to prevent it by taking the 
heat away.  But we solved that problem probably a century ago.  In the 
old days they simply had a passive thermostat that used the expansion of 
melting wax to open a valve and allow water to circulate through the 
radiator thus keeping the engine temperature under control (and 
approximately constant).  In modern cars they have an active system - a 
temperature sensor measures the temperature and when it is getting too 
hot, it cycles a fan and pump on to dump some heat in the radiator and 
keep it at an optimal temperature.

Why on earth cannot something simple like this be done with a Rossi 
reactor?  I would be so easy.  Simply fit heat sink fins and a shroud 
around the reactor and send a blast of cool air through it.  I am sure 
that it will be unable to thermally run-away in such a situation.  If 
the temperature starts dropping below the optimally active value, simply 
turn the fan off and let it warm up again.  It doesn't take much power 
to get something very hot when it is reasonably insulated from 
convection currents.  An unpowered reactor that stays almost red-hot by 
itself while blowing hot air over everyone - now wouldn't that be 
impressive and convincing - and so easy if it really is over-unity!


 

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