I look at this issue from another angle. If Papp had a real engine, then why would he want to keep it from humanity? It seems more likely that he wanted to prevent others from seeing that his device was a fake and the liquids would make that obvious. Many people would like to prevent being viewed as having committed a fraud or being a faker, even when they face death. I for one would want the future generations to benefit from my work. It is selfish to do otherwise.
Feynmann, on the other hand, should not have acted as he did during that demonstration. He may have been correct in assuming that the device was a fraud, but there is no way to be positive about that belief. He should have found other ways to prove his point since he could not know the consequences of the action he took. I hope he learned an important lesion. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 8:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nanoparticles make steam without bring water to a boil. More... When Papp found out he was going to die, Papp flushed his secret fuel mix from all his engines three months before he died. If the Papp engine was a scam, why would Papp go to the trouble just to keep his secret from the world? On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: If the Papp engine was not producing over unity power, then with the wall power removed the Papp engine should have stopped. This is what RF thought. But unexpectedly, the engine increased its power output until it blew apart. This is not the behavior of a scam that RF was assuming. This is the behavior of a gainful LENR system. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: Jed, I thought so too, whenGene first published the other side of the story. But if your read Feynman’saccount carefully, and you should - then you will see that Papp himself unpluggedengine and handed the plug to Feynman. Feynman did not unplug the machine –he merely failed to give back the plug to Papp. BUT FEYNMAN WAS UNDER NO LEGALOBLIGATION TO CONTINUE PAPP’S SCAM. Thus the liability is withPapp. If this had gone to trial there is no doubt Feynman would have prevailed. However, to settle out ofcourt was probably the best thing for all concerned since there was a fatalityand Cal Tech has deep pockets. However that death is onPapp. No doubt in my mind that he was legally responsible. From:Jed Rothwell Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: Here is your “back to reality” information on Pappfrom Feynman himself. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/papparticle2.html If we assume the thing was real, then Feynman wasresponsible for the accident. He killed someone. It was criminal. Real or not,you should NEVER, EVER monkey with equipment or unplug a control unit withoutasking permission. If we assume it was not real, and power in equalledpower out, it was still high powered device under the control of theelectronics. Even a fake machine is dangerous if you suddenly disconnect thecontrols. It is like reaching over from the passenger seat and turning off theignition in a car driving on a highway. Feynman was sometimes an arrogant, dismissive,unobservant jerk. He sure was in this case. - Jed
