The confusion between incommensurable quantities is excusable in someone who doesn't know the first thing about physics but not even in a blue collar technician that works on household utilities like electrical wiring or heating and air conditioning.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Edmund Storms <[email protected]>wrote: > Confusion seems to exist between energy and temperature. A very high > temperature can be produced using very little energy if the energy is > highly concentrated. This is done regularly using lasers and electric arcs. > In the case of HHO, the chemical energy released when H2O forms is applied > directly to the material where it is released by catalytic action. The skin > feels no heat because the reaction is not catalyzed by the skin. > > This gas would make a poor fuel in an engine because the reaction produces > a reduction in volume of gas, with only a temporary increases produced by > heating the gas. In contrast, gasoline produces a large increase on gas > volume, which is used to move the piston. > > However, use of such a gas might improve the efficiency of gasoline > combustion. More convenient ways exist to do this, which have been applied > over the years, thereby making the gasoline engine increasingly efficient. > However, I have seen no evidence that LENR can be initiated this way. Even > if it could, the heat energy would not be suitable to add much extra push > to the piston before the heat was dissipated. The process needs a permanent > increase in gas volume, not just a temporary increase cause by increased > temperature. > > Ed Storms > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Lennart Thornros wrote: > > Axil, > I admit total ignorance of the HHO theory. > I have heard about people saying they can reduce gas consumption in autos. > It has never taken any commercial format. > I have a few questions though: > 1. If HHO produce this high temperature, then it sounds to me to be > logical that it saves gas in an Otto motor. The gasoline will explode in an > instantaneously increased pressure due to HHO increases the temperature and > therefore the pressure (compression). Is that how it works? > 2. Is it not true that if we can produce any 'heat motor' with higher > temperature we will increase COP? At 6,000 C temperature and 20C on the > exhaust a heat motor should be competitive with an electrical motor when it > comes to COP. > 3. If 1 and 2 is correct then a LENR process at COP 2 would be feasible as > it at least will have excess energy after feeding its own input. Is that > correct? > I am OK with a lesson in basics:) > > Best Regards , > Lennart Thornros > > www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com > [email protected] > +1 916 436 1899 > 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 > > "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a > commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." PJM > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn the >> skin of your hand. >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax4sW3bo_dM >> >> >> The HHO gas stream contains solid crystals of water. These crystals act >> like nano lenses that concentrate infrared light in the boundary layer >> between a shiny metal surface and a dielectric gas like hydrogen or oxygen. >> The science that studies this effect is called nanoplasmonics. >> >> >> The heat energy is confined to the metal surface and locked in(AKA dark >> mode) and concentrated their like in a EMF black hole. >> >> >> The metal surface is said to have a negative coefficient of reflectivity. >> This keeps the heat from leaving the metal surface. In this way the heat >> energy builds up to huge temperatures to the point where it will vaporize >> tungsten. >> >> >> The skin on your hand has a positive index of reflectivity; it is not >> shiny. The heat from hydrogen combustion is not confined to the surface of >> your skin and can escape to the surrounding air. So you will not be readily >> burned by the HHO flame. >> >> >> This is a basic LENR effect (aka evanescent wave - >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave) of energy concentration >> and focusing. This indicates that the upper temperature limit of the LENR >> effect is beyond the temperature required to vaporize tungsten (5930 °C, >> 10706 °F) >> >> >> On the other hand, the combustion temperature of hydrogen is only 2,660 >> °C with oxygen. Do I need to spell this out any further? >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ceOL83PM24 >> >> >> On the downside, spark ignition of HHO does not use the LENR effect of >> the evanescent wave. >> >> So burning hydrogen in oxygen is only combustion and not LENR. >> >> >> >> >> > > >
