James Ok I am not so sensitive so it is OK- but felt uncalled for as I preempted my weakness:) Hard to follow if you do not say to whom.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." PJM On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:39 PM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lennart, my comment wasn't directed at you but at Axil's question: "Do I > need to spell this out any further?" After giving temperature numbers as > though they represented energy or power. I tend to dismiss Axil's > asserted-as-fact speculations posing as theory, if for no other reason than > their tone -- but this takes the cake. > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com>wrote: > >> Thanks James, >> I can use the thesaurus if the word was hard. I could not understand the >> way you used it. >> I think the quantities are comparable. They can be measured in any >> pressure r volume dimension as far as I am concerned. >> What I did not understand was what you are comparing. I did not mean to >> compare anything. Did I ? >> I take it as if you just supported Ed Storms post. I understand he is >> saying that it is a chemical (catalytic) action in the welding example. >> I have no experience of HHO and therefore I supposed that if there was >> enough heat capacity in the gas (HHO) to heat the metal it should be enough >> to heat the relatively small amount of gas (with a much smaller heat >> capacity than metal). Yes, that might be ignorant but it is not a very >> 'high ceiling' if you have problem overseeing that kind of ignorance. >> >> >> Best Regards , >> Lennart Thornros >> >> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >> lenn...@thornros.com >> +1 916 436 1899 >> 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 >> >> "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." PJM >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_commensurability#Commensurability >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Ok James I admit my ignorance, although I am not a blue collar worker >>>> in the AC field. I also admit my English is less than perfect. I do not >>>> know what you mean with "incommensurable quantities". Are you just >>>> supporting Ed Storms statements about quantities and temperature? I did >>>> understand that, it seems without connection to anything. >>>> However, I have very little experience from production of HHO gas and >>>> has learnt that it does not exist because of what Alan G. explains. I think >>>> I am back to my old believe that the talk about HHO gas is just wishful >>>> thinking or in worst case scam. >>>> Excusable or not my confusion (probably caused by ignorance) is now >>>> more or less eliminated. Good enough for me - thanks. >>>> >>>> To Ed . I did not mean that the LENR process would be improved. My >>>> thinking was that if a 'heat motor' could have very good efficiency like 80 >>>> -90% due to high input temperature and low (room temperature) the LENR >>>> result which you explained previously need to be in a level of five or so >>>> to compensate for the losses due to energy losses when converting the >>>> energy both to the loop back and to consumption. >>>> >>>> Best Regards , >>>> Lennart Thornros >>>> >>>> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >>>> lenn...@thornros.com >>>> +1 916 436 1899 >>>> 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 >>>> >>>> "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >>>> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." >>>> PJM >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:44 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> The confusion between incommensurable quantities is excusable in >>>>> someone who doesn't know the first thing about physics but not even in a >>>>> blue collar technician that works on household utilities like electrical >>>>> wiring or heating and air conditioning. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Edmund Storms <stor...@ix.netcom.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Confusion seems to exist between energy and temperature. A very high >>>>>> temperature can be produced using very little energy if the energy is >>>>>> highly concentrated. This is done regularly using lasers and electric >>>>>> arcs. >>>>>> In the case of HHO, the chemical energy released when H2O forms is >>>>>> applied >>>>>> directly to the material where it is released by catalytic action. The >>>>>> skin >>>>>> feels no heat because the reaction is not catalyzed by the skin. >>>>>> >>>>>> This gas would make a poor fuel in an engine because the reaction >>>>>> produces a reduction in volume of gas, with only a temporary increases >>>>>> produced by heating the gas. In contrast, gasoline produces a large >>>>>> increase on gas volume, which is used to move the piston. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, use of such a gas might improve the efficiency of gasoline >>>>>> combustion. More convenient ways exist to do this, which have been >>>>>> applied >>>>>> over the years, thereby making the gasoline engine increasingly >>>>>> efficient. >>>>>> However, I have seen no evidence that LENR can be initiated this way. >>>>>> Even >>>>>> if it could, the heat energy would not be suitable to add much extra push >>>>>> to the piston before the heat was dissipated. The process needs a >>>>>> permanent >>>>>> increase in gas volume, not just a temporary increase cause by increased >>>>>> temperature. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed Storms >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Lennart Thornros wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Axil, >>>>>> I admit total ignorance of the HHO theory. >>>>>> I have heard about people saying they can reduce gas consumption in >>>>>> autos. It has never taken any commercial format. >>>>>> I have a few questions though: >>>>>> 1. If HHO produce this high temperature, then it sounds to me to be >>>>>> logical that it saves gas in an Otto motor. The gasoline will explode in >>>>>> an >>>>>> instantaneously increased pressure due to HHO increases the temperature >>>>>> and >>>>>> therefore the pressure (compression). Is that how it works? >>>>>> 2. Is it not true that if we can produce any 'heat motor' with higher >>>>>> temperature we will increase COP? At 6,000 C temperature and 20C on the >>>>>> exhaust a heat motor should be competitive with an electrical motor when >>>>>> it >>>>>> comes to COP. >>>>>> 3. If 1 and 2 is correct then a LENR process at COP 2 would be >>>>>> feasible as it at least will have excess energy after feeding its own >>>>>> input. Is that correct? >>>>>> I am OK with a lesson in basics:) >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards , >>>>>> Lennart Thornros >>>>>> >>>>>> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >>>>>> lenn...@thornros.com >>>>>> +1 916 436 1899 >>>>>> 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 >>>>>> >>>>>> "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >>>>>> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." >>>>>> PJM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn >>>>>>> the skin of your hand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax4sW3bo_dM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The HHO gas stream contains solid crystals of water. These crystals >>>>>>> act like nano lenses that concentrate infrared light in the boundary >>>>>>> layer >>>>>>> between a shiny metal surface and a dielectric gas like hydrogen or >>>>>>> oxygen. >>>>>>> The science that studies this effect is called nanoplasmonics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The heat energy is confined to the metal surface and locked in(AKA >>>>>>> dark mode) and concentrated their like in a EMF black hole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The metal surface is said to have a negative coefficient of >>>>>>> reflectivity. This keeps the heat from leaving the metal surface. >>>>>>> In this way the heat energy builds up to huge temperatures to the point >>>>>>> where it will vaporize tungsten. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The skin on your hand has a positive index of reflectivity; it is >>>>>>> not shiny. The heat from hydrogen combustion is not confined to the >>>>>>> surface >>>>>>> of your skin and can escape to the surrounding air. So you will not be >>>>>>> readily burned by the HHO flame. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a basic LENR effect (aka evanescent wave - >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave) of energy >>>>>>> concentration and focusing. This indicates that the upper temperature >>>>>>> limit >>>>>>> of the LENR effect is beyond the temperature required to vaporize >>>>>>> tungsten >>>>>>> (5930 °C, 10706 °F) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand, the combustion temperature of hydrogen is only >>>>>>> 2,660 °C with oxygen. Do I need to spell this out any further? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ceOL83PM24 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the downside, spark ignition of HHO does not use the LENR effect >>>>>>> of the evanescent wave. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So burning hydrogen in oxygen is only combustion and not LENR. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
