Thanks James, I can use the thesaurus if the word was hard. I could not understand the way you used it. I think the quantities are comparable. They can be measured in any pressure r volume dimension as far as I am concerned. What I did not understand was what you are comparing. I did not mean to compare anything. Did I ? I take it as if you just supported Ed Storms post. I understand he is saying that it is a chemical (catalytic) action in the welding example. I have no experience of HHO and therefore I supposed that if there was enough heat capacity in the gas (HHO) to heat the metal it should be enough to heat the relatively small amount of gas (with a much smaller heat capacity than metal). Yes, that might be ignorant but it is not a very 'high ceiling' if you have problem overseeing that kind of ignorance.
Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." PJM On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_commensurability#Commensurability > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Lennart Thornros > <lenn...@thornros.com>wrote: > >> Ok James I admit my ignorance, although I am not a blue collar worker in >> the AC field. I also admit my English is less than perfect. I do not know >> what you mean with "incommensurable quantities". Are you just supporting >> Ed Storms statements about quantities and temperature? I did understand >> that, it seems without connection to anything. >> However, I have very little experience from production of HHO gas and >> has learnt that it does not exist because of what Alan G. explains. I think >> I am back to my old believe that the talk about HHO gas is just wishful >> thinking or in worst case scam. >> Excusable or not my confusion (probably caused by ignorance) is now more >> or less eliminated. Good enough for me - thanks. >> >> To Ed . I did not mean that the LENR process would be improved. My >> thinking was that if a 'heat motor' could have very good efficiency like 80 >> -90% due to high input temperature and low (room temperature) the LENR >> result which you explained previously need to be in a level of five or so >> to compensate for the losses due to energy losses when converting the >> energy both to the loop back and to consumption. >> >> Best Regards , >> Lennart Thornros >> >> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >> lenn...@thornros.com >> +1 916 436 1899 >> 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 >> >> "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." PJM >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:44 AM, James Bowery <jabow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The confusion between incommensurable quantities is excusable in someone >>> who doesn't know the first thing about physics but not even in a blue >>> collar technician that works on household utilities like electrical wiring >>> or heating and air conditioning. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Edmund Storms >>> <stor...@ix.netcom.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Confusion seems to exist between energy and temperature. A very high >>>> temperature can be produced using very little energy if the energy is >>>> highly concentrated. This is done regularly using lasers and electric arcs. >>>> In the case of HHO, the chemical energy released when H2O forms is applied >>>> directly to the material where it is released by catalytic action. The skin >>>> feels no heat because the reaction is not catalyzed by the skin. >>>> >>>> This gas would make a poor fuel in an engine because the reaction >>>> produces a reduction in volume of gas, with only a temporary increases >>>> produced by heating the gas. In contrast, gasoline produces a large >>>> increase on gas volume, which is used to move the piston. >>>> >>>> However, use of such a gas might improve the efficiency of gasoline >>>> combustion. More convenient ways exist to do this, which have been applied >>>> over the years, thereby making the gasoline engine increasingly efficient. >>>> However, I have seen no evidence that LENR can be initiated this way. Even >>>> if it could, the heat energy would not be suitable to add much extra push >>>> to the piston before the heat was dissipated. The process needs a permanent >>>> increase in gas volume, not just a temporary increase cause by increased >>>> temperature. >>>> >>>> Ed Storms >>>> >>>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Lennart Thornros wrote: >>>> >>>> Axil, >>>> I admit total ignorance of the HHO theory. >>>> I have heard about people saying they can reduce gas consumption in >>>> autos. It has never taken any commercial format. >>>> I have a few questions though: >>>> 1. If HHO produce this high temperature, then it sounds to me to be >>>> logical that it saves gas in an Otto motor. The gasoline will explode in an >>>> instantaneously increased pressure due to HHO increases the temperature and >>>> therefore the pressure (compression). Is that how it works? >>>> 2. Is it not true that if we can produce any 'heat motor' with higher >>>> temperature we will increase COP? At 6,000 C temperature and 20C on the >>>> exhaust a heat motor should be competitive with an electrical motor when it >>>> comes to COP. >>>> 3. If 1 and 2 is correct then a LENR process at COP 2 would be feasible >>>> as it at least will have excess energy after feeding its own input. Is that >>>> correct? >>>> I am OK with a lesson in basics:) >>>> >>>> Best Regards , >>>> Lennart Thornros >>>> >>>> www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com >>>> lenn...@thornros.com >>>> +1 916 436 1899 >>>> 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 >>>> >>>> "Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a >>>> commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort." >>>> PJM >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn >>>>> the skin of your hand. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax4sW3bo_dM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The HHO gas stream contains solid crystals of water. These crystals >>>>> act like nano lenses that concentrate infrared light in the boundary layer >>>>> between a shiny metal surface and a dielectric gas like hydrogen or >>>>> oxygen. >>>>> The science that studies this effect is called nanoplasmonics. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The heat energy is confined to the metal surface and locked in(AKA >>>>> dark mode) and concentrated their like in a EMF black hole. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The metal surface is said to have a negative coefficient of >>>>> reflectivity. This keeps the heat from leaving the metal surface. In >>>>> this way the heat energy builds up to huge temperatures to the point where >>>>> it will vaporize tungsten. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The skin on your hand has a positive index of reflectivity; it is not >>>>> shiny. The heat from hydrogen combustion is not confined to the surface of >>>>> your skin and can escape to the surrounding air. So you will not be >>>>> readily >>>>> burned by the HHO flame. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is a basic LENR effect (aka evanescent wave - >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave) of energy concentration >>>>> and focusing. This indicates that the upper temperature limit of the LENR >>>>> effect is beyond the temperature required to vaporize tungsten (5930 °C, >>>>> 10706 °F) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On the other hand, the combustion temperature of hydrogen is only >>>>> 2,660 °C with oxygen. Do I need to spell this out any further? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ceOL83PM24 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On the downside, spark ignition of HHO does not use the LENR effect of >>>>> the evanescent wave. >>>>> >>>>> So burning hydrogen in oxygen is only combustion and not LENR. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
