Another thought regarding fuel vs engine when I said [snip] Of course my initial theory that virtual particle density equates to relativistic values of consequence is a tall order for the mainstream that sees near C velocities as the entry fee to these types of effects but I remain convinced that suppressing density is much easier than compressing it like the difference between accelerating a car thru a rainstorm to compress the pressure as opposed to opening a beach umbrella to reduce it.[/snip] I should also have made the proposition that supplying energy to accelerate a spacecraft to near luminal velocity relative to a stationary observer is equivalent to a stationary observer relative to gas atoms occupying regions where vacuum density is suppressed / regions where the isotropy is breached - but instead of real world propellants as fuel to ADD energy we can now use geometrical confinement to SUBTRACT the energy that is all around us - slowing the intersection rate of vp thru these regions to create regions that breach the isotropy on a scale that physical matter can actually interact with instead of the wormholes below the Plank scale that are said to be part of the chaotic foam. I don't think we get something for nothing and ascribe to the notion that the suppressed regions are balanced by compressed regions in the surrounding wall geometry making these cavities more a reservoir of segregation and concentration but just so.. most gas migration will naturally have more affinity for the open cavities then permeating thru the walls forming the cavities. Maybe some gases do have an affinity for permeating thru the walls rather than residing in cavities which would explain the half-life anomalies where life is extended instead of reduced. In any case most radioactive measurements of half life are averages of the bulk gas and these anomalies could all have proportions of both type of anomalous decay but we only see the average. Fran
-----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis X Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 7:50 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: Re: [Vo]:nice essay Jed Robin, My point was that this anomaly is NOT in accordance with the present definition of COE and the change in geometry [DCE]of powder or skeletal catalyst is needed to form an HUP trap "fueled" by the gas motion which never diminishes regardless of quanity - the same gas could be used endlessly needing only enough pressure and circulation to maintain loading as the process heats and cools the gas similar to wind patterns where acute hydrinos are formed in the geometry of highest confinement and become less acute as they are randomly directed to less confined areas - not that this alone would create energy but at this point you would append your favorite theory to create the asymmetry needed to produce heat, you know my favorite is that hydrino molecules are relativistic and their phase opposes movement to a different inertial frame while hydrino atoms can change inertial frames unopposed which has the effect of discounting the heat needed to disassociate the molecule to over unity using the normally unexploitable energy source of random motion. IMHO it is a self assembling form of a Maxwellian demon but I am open to many of the other theorys - I just think using DCE and HUP as your underlying starting point is at least a better start that gives the plasmons, ion charges, hydrotrons and all the others an initial leg to stand on - I also like the commonality in this perspective because you can easily envision this same sort of changing confinement in the collapsing bubbles of sonoluminescence. Of course my initial theory that virtual particle density equates to relativistic values of consequence is a tall order for the mainstream that sees near C velocities as the entry fee to these types of effects but I remain convinced that suppressing density is much easier than compressing it like the difference between accelerating a car thru a rainstorm to compress the pressure as opposed to opening a beach umbrella to reduce it. Albeit a very small nano beach umbrella where the rest of the macro world remains in the rainstorm we call the isotropy. I think this system allows us to pit the square law of isotropy against the emerging dynamic inverse cube law of DCE while still being powered by the local random motion of gas law in these tiny inertial frames the gas is encountering. Getting back to topic I think you need cathode DCE geometry AND gas loading to create energy making the DCE geometry a better metric since it is the only area this type of energy can be harnessed into the macro world. Fran -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:nice essay Jed In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 8 May 2014 11:27:09 +0000: Hi, [snip] >I disagree with this portion of your reply [snip] Since the actual source of >energy is likely to be >the Hydrogen in the water, not the actual cathode metal, the volume of the >cathode is pretty much irrelevant [/snip] Yes the energy may come from the >gas but it is the lattice confinement and change in level of confinement at >the defects that provide the environment that liberates this normally >inaccessible source of energy from hydrogen - We don't have to accept ZPE, >hydrino or hydrotron to all agree that defects in lattice geometry, their >population density and their topologies allow this energy to be produced such >that you have to consider the hydrogen and the containment together as the >actual energy source so Jeds' focus on the cathode geometry as a crude metric >seems viable. This would only be true if the NAE was destroyed when the reaction happened, and were incapable of reforming. If either of these two are not true, then the "cathode" (for want of a more general term) has to be considered to be an "engine" and the Hydrogen has to be considered the "fuel". You do not calculate the energy density of engines. You calculate the energy density of fuels. (Unless as Jed mentioned, you are stuck with the Hydrogen in the cathode, and it is not replaceable - in which case the outlook for CF is far more restricted.) Note however that both Rossi & Defkalion appear to use a regular supply of external Hydrogen. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
