High loading  would lend itself well to a ZPE underpinning of the anomaly 
because COE says that you cannot exploit HUP derived gas motion – that is you 
can’t build a Maxwellian demon that sorts hot from cold atoms or separates 
atomic from molecular to build opposing reservoirs as an energy sources since 
the motion is totally random and so slight that a singular device per atom is 
impossible and larger containments simply cancel out in our 3D macro world 
before they can be contained, but the saturated layer of gas in contact with a 
lattice topology full of defects approaches a 1D limit where that random motion 
is confined onto a single axis where said cancellation takes longer to occur 
and forces the layer to move back and forth across a region of space where the 
virtual particle density is changing at a rate that violates the isotropy of 
square law[forming a grater]. IMHO this operates like a saw that discounts the 
energy needed to disassociate gas molecules in violation of the caveat COE 
requires of gas law – A one Dimensional  exception to COE that I believe is the 
bootstrap for these anomalies based on a self assembled type of Maxwell demon 
that uses HUP to discount molecular disassociation by opposing molecular motion 
vs atomic motion at a different ratio than it does in the unbroken isotropy of 
our 3D macro world. I suspect similar math would be apparent for relativistic 
hydrogen but there COE works out fine because we are supplying energy to 
accelerate the hydrogen thru the isotropy to force relativistic effects while 
inside bulk powders or skeletal cats no one is treating these defects with the 
same respect because we have all been told catalytic action like gas motion can 
not provide power….I disagree and propose the caveat should be amended to say 
can’t be exploited in 3D  which leaves the door open for exploitation thru 
confinement.
Fran
From: Ian Walker [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:nice essay Jed

Hi all

This would explain the apparent success of the high fractal surface powders.

Kind Regards walker


On 8 May 2014 10:40, Ian Walker 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi all

Have not read the whole thread yet; might it be that the forces involved cause 
the Hydrogen to get sucked/pushed away from the surface into the bulk of the 
hydrate in preference to starting the reaction and that in the case of bulk 
materials the reaction only takes place when the bulk of material is full to 
over flowing on to the surface or in to the cracks or whiskers that form the 
NAE?

Kind Regards walker

On 8 May 2014 05:13, Eric Walker 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Jed Rothwell 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

If Ed is right and the reaction occurs only at the surface, then there would be 
rapid exchange with hydrogen in the water. What I do not understand about that 
hypothesis is: Why is high loading important, in that case?

Another possibility about the role of high loading -- it's useful in PdD cold 
fusion because it results in a prolonged release of hydrogen to the surface.  
Palladium interacts with hydrogen/deuterium differently than nickel does with 
hydrogen.  In particular, hydrogen and deuterium are more soluble in palladium 
than nickel, if I remember correctly.

Eric



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