This is way a LENR system will work for awhile and then died a slow death.
A BEC leeps a reactor going for months without damage to the nano strutures.


On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote:

> Axil -- this sounds a bit similar to Widom-Larsen's magic gamma shield.
> Maybe there is evidence for energy distribution in a BEC polariton system
> -- but these are observed only outside LENR systems, in very selective
> environments, and last I checked all NiH generating systems don't require
> the existence of a cold plasma either. In those systems no BEC would form,
> and a truck load of gammas would result.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The BEC buffers the release of energy by widely spreading it out over
>> many NAE. The is something called quantum mechanical blockade that makes
>> sure no one NAE get more energy than the others.
>>
>> When there is no BEC formed, a gamma is produced by the sole NAE and the
>> NAE is destroyed. A LENR system that produces gamma is eating itself up and
>> will soon fail.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Axil -- OK, but how is the fusion reaction initiated in this model? The
>>> magnetic nano-antennae traps bring the hydrogen to the NAE (which is what
>>> exactly?) and then what happens? Basically Kim's theory? Where else,
>>> experimentally, has a BCE exhibited the tendency to initiate fusion?
>>>
>>> Why would the BEC "protect [nano-wire] from destruction"? BEC's
>>> themselves are not known to exist at the temperatures we are
>>> positing. Therefore how can they protect anything if they themselves should
>>> not maintain an existence at much higher temperatures? I know the claims
>>> for creation of "room temperature" BEC (Michigan group I think) -- none of
>>> which show BEC can exist at particularly high temperatures in a chaotic
>>> environment, form in copious amounts, or initiate any kind of fusion
>>> reaction. This seems like another way of stating Hagelstein's view, only he
>>> doesn't posit the necessity for a BEC or plasmons, whereby he explains
>>> energy dissipation through a quantum coherent sharing process across the
>>> lattice structure & hydrogen clusters via phonons (aka quasi-particles --
>>> same as polaritons).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The way power flows from the fusion reaction to the lattice is based on
>>>> the formation of a global BEC. The nuclear reaction feeds the BEC power in
>>>> small packets, hundreds of thousands of energy packets  spread quantum
>>>> mechanically over all the members of the global polariton BEC. The nickel
>>>> nanowire does not enter into the nuclear reaction. It only projects a
>>>> magnetic force that causes the nuclear reaction to take place. The Energy
>>>> from the LENR reaction flows back through the magnetic field lines to the
>>>> soliton which is the BEC ensemble member at the tip of the nickel nanowire.
>>>>
>>>> The BEC of polaritons is what protects the nickel nanowire from
>>>> destruction.
>>>>
>>>> Similar energy sharing is seen in the BEC of Rydberg atoms. That BEC is
>>>> called a super atom because it act like one huge atom.
>>>>
>>>> This is also how dark matter polariton clouds form at the centers of
>>>> dwarf galaxies to form a polariton BEC of dark matter carried by
>>>> interstellar dust as the substrate that is 100000 parsecs in diameter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the comment Jojo. I think you make a fair point(s).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jojo Iznart <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   In all this talk about the NAE being a Nanowire, a nanotip, a
>>>>>> nanoantenna, a nanomesh, a nanospike, a nano coating on a nano particle, 
>>>>>>  a
>>>>>> nano-this and a nano-that; people seems to be forgeting the fact that
>>>>>> whatever nano structure the NAE is, it will not survive the temperatures
>>>>>> we've seen being demonstrated; especially with Rossi's hotcat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it not obvious to anyone that whatever whatever the NAE is, it
>>>>>> couldn't possibly be a nanostructure of Nickel.  Nickel will be a
>>>>>> homogenous blob of partly molten metal at the temperatures we are talking
>>>>>> about. And it is known,  that it will sinter and reshape itself even at
>>>>>> temperatures significantly below its melting temp.   In other words,
>>>>>> GOODBYE NAE.  At best, it is a one-use NAE.  An NAE that is a 
>>>>>> nanostructure
>>>>>> Nickel appears to be highly unlikely and improbable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why, I'm with Ed on this.  People come up with theories that
>>>>>> conveniently ignore the chemical environment.  In this case, the physical
>>>>>> melting or sintering point of Nickel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Axil's theory while sounding erudite and well-researched, has a big
>>>>>> hole in the middle of it.  Big enough to drive a Mack truck thru.  Unless
>>>>>> Axil can explain how his Nano antenna NAE can survive the temps, It is my
>>>>>> opinion that his theory is dead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I broke my self-imposed exile just to say this.  It seems that
>>>>>> there are many theories being bandied around that simply breaks very
>>>>>> important principles.  Whatever you think of Ed's book, he makes a very
>>>>>> important point, we should not simply ignore the chemical environment, or
>>>>>> physical properties of metals, or thermodynamic principles, etc if they 
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not fit our theories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jojo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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