So this how can we experimentally prove this hypothesis? Widom-Larsen refuse to subject theirs to test.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > Polariton production must be strongly pumped. In Rossi's system the > pumping is done by the mouse or primary heater. In the DGT system the > pumping is done by the arc discharge. This pumping produces dipole > oscillations on the surface of the micro particles. Dipoles produce the > electrons and photons that combine to form polaritons. > > When the heat or the arc is discontinued, the reaction will eventually > die. In a hot system, the BEC dissipates after the reactions have > stopped so it will still protect against after life gamma's. When Rossi ran > his systems cold with little dipole electron production, he did see gammas > at shutdown. > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How does the BEC-polariton shield maintain its existence without applied >> current -- similar to when power is shut-off to a system and demonstrates >> heat-after-death power generation? The electrical input goes away, cold >> plasma goes away, BEC shield goes away, but the reactions persist, so we >> should observe storms of radiation during those periods, which we do >> not. Same problem as WLT, or no? >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is way a LENR system will work for awhile and then died a slow >>> death. A BEC leeps a reactor going for months without damage to the nano >>> strutures. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Axil -- this sounds a bit similar to Widom-Larsen's magic gamma shield. >>>> Maybe there is evidence for energy distribution in a BEC polariton system >>>> -- but these are observed only outside LENR systems, in very selective >>>> environments, and last I checked all NiH generating systems don't require >>>> the existence of a cold plasma either. In those systems no BEC would form, >>>> and a truck load of gammas would result. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The BEC buffers the release of energy by widely spreading it out over >>>>> many NAE. The is something called quantum mechanical blockade that makes >>>>> sure no one NAE get more energy than the others. >>>>> >>>>> When there is no BEC formed, a gamma is produced by the sole NAE and >>>>> the NAE is destroyed. A LENR system that produces gamma is eating itself >>>>> up >>>>> and will soon fail. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Axil -- OK, but how is the fusion reaction initiated in this model? >>>>>> The magnetic nano-antennae traps bring the hydrogen to the NAE (which is >>>>>> what exactly?) and then what happens? Basically Kim's theory? Where else, >>>>>> experimentally, has a BCE exhibited the tendency to initiate fusion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would the BEC "protect [nano-wire] from destruction"? BEC's >>>>>> themselves are not known to exist at the temperatures we are >>>>>> positing. Therefore how can they protect anything if they themselves >>>>>> should >>>>>> not maintain an existence at much higher temperatures? I know the claims >>>>>> for creation of "room temperature" BEC (Michigan group I think) -- none >>>>>> of >>>>>> which show BEC can exist at particularly high temperatures in a chaotic >>>>>> environment, form in copious amounts, or initiate any kind of fusion >>>>>> reaction. This seems like another way of stating Hagelstein's view, only >>>>>> he >>>>>> doesn't posit the necessity for a BEC or plasmons, whereby he explains >>>>>> energy dissipation through a quantum coherent sharing process across the >>>>>> lattice structure & hydrogen clusters via phonons (aka quasi-particles -- >>>>>> same as polaritons). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The way power flows from the fusion reaction to the lattice is based >>>>>>> on the formation of a global BEC. The nuclear reaction feeds the BEC >>>>>>> power >>>>>>> in small packets, hundreds of thousands of energy packets spread >>>>>>> quantum >>>>>>> mechanically over all the members of the global polariton BEC. The >>>>>>> nickel >>>>>>> nanowire does not enter into the nuclear reaction. It only projects a >>>>>>> magnetic force that causes the nuclear reaction to take place. The >>>>>>> Energy >>>>>>> from the LENR reaction flows back through the magnetic field lines to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> soliton which is the BEC ensemble member at the tip of the nickel >>>>>>> nanowire. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The BEC of polaritons is what protects the nickel nanowire from >>>>>>> destruction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Similar energy sharing is seen in the BEC of Rydberg atoms. That BEC >>>>>>> is called a super atom because it act like one huge atom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is also how dark matter polariton clouds form at the centers of >>>>>>> dwarf galaxies to form a polariton BEC of dark matter carried by >>>>>>> interstellar dust as the substrate that is 100000 parsecs in diameter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Foks0904 . <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the comment Jojo. I think you make a fair point(s). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Jojo Iznart < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In all this talk about the NAE being a Nanowire, a nanotip, a >>>>>>>>> nanoantenna, a nanomesh, a nanospike, a nano coating on a nano >>>>>>>>> particle, a >>>>>>>>> nano-this and a nano-that; people seems to be forgeting the fact that >>>>>>>>> whatever nano structure the NAE is, it will not survive the >>>>>>>>> temperatures >>>>>>>>> we've seen being demonstrated; especially with Rossi's hotcat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it not obvious to anyone that whatever whatever the NAE is, it >>>>>>>>> couldn't possibly be a nanostructure of Nickel. Nickel will be a >>>>>>>>> homogenous blob of partly molten metal at the temperatures we are >>>>>>>>> talking >>>>>>>>> about. And it is known, that it will sinter and reshape itself even >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> temperatures significantly below its melting temp. In other words, >>>>>>>>> GOODBYE NAE. At best, it is a one-use NAE. An NAE that is a >>>>>>>>> nanostructure >>>>>>>>> Nickel appears to be highly unlikely and improbable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is why, I'm with Ed on this. People come up with theories >>>>>>>>> that conveniently ignore the chemical environment. In this case, the >>>>>>>>> physical melting or sintering point of Nickel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Axil's theory while sounding erudite and well-researched, has a >>>>>>>>> big hole in the middle of it. Big enough to drive a Mack truck thru. >>>>>>>>> Unless Axil can explain how his Nano antenna NAE can survive the >>>>>>>>> temps, It >>>>>>>>> is my opinion that his theory is dead. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I broke my self-imposed exile just to say this. It seems that >>>>>>>>> there are many theories being bandied around that simply breaks very >>>>>>>>> important principles. Whatever you think of Ed's book, he makes a >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> important point, we should not simply ignore the chemical >>>>>>>>> environment, or >>>>>>>>> physical properties of metals, or thermodynamic principles, etc if >>>>>>>>> they do >>>>>>>>> not fit our theories. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jojo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
