Hear, hear I remember! and if I remember correctly, it was mid to early 90's
Regards Peter On 11/07/2011, at 2:41 PM, Rod Lavington wrote: > And as a disclaimer, I use a MacBook Pro, a Google Nexus One, a Newton 2100 > and as of Wednesday an iPad. I have worked at most Apple resellers in Perth > around the turn of the century :) I joined WAMUG when I was the store > manager at RA in Nedlands, when a huge email thread bashing the store > appeared on the wamug mailing liat, and I headed off to the next meeting to > smooth things over. > > I too, am an Apple fanatic :D > > Seeya > > Rod :) > > On Jul 11, 2011 2:27 PM, "Rod Lavington" <[email protected]> wrote: > > You win Carlo. > > > > Cheers > > > > Rod :) > > On Jul 11, 2011 2:19 PM, "cm" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Rod, > >> > >> I have no reason to doubt what Andy Rubin said on that occasion -- in > > particular the "crappy experiences", but a platform cannot be both open and > > closed at the same time. Part of the so-called freedom of open software is > > that users and companies can take the software in whatever direction they > > choose. Google is not ready for that to happen so for the present at least > > the software is not open. > >> > >> When you say Apple fanatics what do you mean exactly? Do mean that all > > users of Apple products are deluded in some fashion into believing that they > > are using quality software? It's strange that Apple's competitors seem to be > > fanatics as well as the phone and table offerings are mostly following > > behind Apple's lead as fast as their production teams can copy them. Have a > > look at smartphones before the iPhone and have a look at smartphones now. > > You can do the same for tablets -- which weren't even a popular category of > > product before the iPad. > >> > >> As for WebOS, when you say "over all the mobile platforms", I hope you > > mean over all your mobile platforms as I am quite happy with iOS. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Carlo > >> > >> On 2011-07-11, at 13:52, Rod Lavington wrote: > >> > >>> So this quote from the second article: > >>> > >>> "Android boss Andy Rubin says Honeycomb is not ready for phones. If > > Google were to open it up to the world at large, it could end up on > > smartphones and users might end up with some crappy experiences." > >>> > >>> does not suggest that Google are keeping Honeycomb closed shop for a > > reason, other than not keeping it open? So, Apple fanatics believe > > everything that comes out of Cupertino as gospel, yet don't believe the head > > of Google's Android division..... > >>> > >>> Anyhoo, the issue is more about the security of social networks, not > > about one particular platform's misgivings :) > >>> > >>> Personally, I would use WebOS over all the mobile platforms in a > > heartbeat. Alas, its not available in Australia (yet) > >>> > >>> Seeya > >>> > >>> Rod > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:24 PM, cm <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Hi Rod, > >>> > >>> I agree that Google does needs to do something as the Android platform > > fragmentation and security is woeful. I just think that many Android > > supporters don't see the contradiction when they complain that Apple is > > keeping the iPhone closed and that it should be open like Android, when the > > reality is that Google is now trying to imitate the success of the iPhone by > > taking more control. The second article is purely factual about the closing > > of the Honeycomb source code and makes no value judgements. The first > > article is more interesting in that there are a number of levers that Google > > uses to keep control of the platform that most Android users are not even > > aware of. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Carlo > >>> > >>> On 2011-07-11, at 13:09, Rod Lavington wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Carlo, > >>>> > >>>> Have to take issue with the second article. Anyone that has followed > > Android through its many versions will understand why Google don't want to > > open up Honeycomb. Ice Cream Sandwich is on target to be released later on > > this year, that will reunite both the phone and tablet OS versions of > > Android (Gingerbread and Honeycomb). I'd say Google let a handful of top > > manufacturer's release Honeycomb tablets to keep Android out there, but will > > let everyone use Ice Cream Sandwich when available later on this year. And > > considering the woeful fragmentation over the different Android models, I > > can understand why Google wants to put the brakes on a bit! > >>>> > >>>> I think HP with WebOS has the right mix of user interaction with code > > (through the Homebrewers) and keeping the rest of the code strictly HP only. > > No need for jailbreaking, and you can root the phone and unroot through the > > developers menu. Too bad nobody uses them ;) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> > >>>> Rod! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM, cm <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Hi Reg, > >>>> > >>>> I think your son is wise to question. I am not sure of the connection > > between left wing and Android, but maybe your son would like to look at > > these articles about the control that Google exerts over the Android > > platform while loudly claiming that it is free and open. > >>>> > >>>> > > http://www.asbigo.com/motorola/skyhook-filings-detail-googles-tight-control-of-android-platform/ > >>>> > >>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-honeycomb-open-2011-3 > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Carlo > >>>> > >>>> On 2011-07-11, at 12:25, Reg Whitely wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Paul > >>>>> > >>>>> Reg Whitely > >>>>> > >>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272 > >>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313 > >>>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 11/07/2011, at 12:03 pm, Paul K wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I do understand that you did not intend to incite fear, just healthy > >>>>>> skepticism. A good thing. But I draw your attention to Reg's response: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "My son is keen to try it an good luck to him, and > >>>>>> I need to point out he has no association with WAMUG whatsoever, but > > in doing > >>>>>> so perhaps he's putting the rest of his family at risk." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm happy to be corrected by both Reg and you, however to me Reg > >>>>>> sounds a bit spooked. > >>>>> > >>>>> Damien is a clever young man and is quite left wing when it comes to > > multinationals and security 'terrorists'. Where possible he would use > > android and linux! > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm sure he will read the fine print. I brought him into the discussion > > only because he has invited me to join Google+, and I'm not keen on it. I am > > on Facebook and took a lot of time screwing down its security to protect me > > and my family and friends as much as possible. > >>>>> > >>>>> I dislike Twitter and have no association with it, and a brief early > > foray into Myspace still presents me with spurious young ladies wishing to > > make my acquaintance - not!. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ronni's research came at just the right time for me to reassess this > > situation. > >>>>> > >>>>> This animated growth model of Facebook security is worth viewing. Note > > it is current only to 2010: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Reg > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> If so, IMHO I believe that to be unwarranted. > >>>>>> As I said earlier if the end user perceives benefit as weighed against > >>>>>> the risk then a good thing has happened. > >>>>>> If it came across as a jab I apologise, it was only intended as a > > nudge :-) > >>>>>> Maybe what I could have said is; yes skepticism is a healthy thing but > >>>>>> you did not speculate much about the potential benefits just the > >>>>>> potential risks. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> Paul > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>>>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]>
