And as a disclaimer, I use a MacBook Pro, a Google Nexus One, a Newton 2100 and as of Wednesday an iPad. I have worked at most Apple resellers in Perth around the turn of the century :) I joined WAMUG when I was the store manager at RA in Nedlands, when a huge email thread bashing the store appeared on the wamug mailing liat, and I headed off to the next meeting to smooth things over.
I too, am an Apple fanatic :D Seeya Rod :) On Jul 11, 2011 2:27 PM, "Rod Lavington" <[email protected]> wrote: > You win Carlo. > > Cheers > > Rod :) > On Jul 11, 2011 2:19 PM, "cm" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Rod, >> >> I have no reason to doubt what Andy Rubin said on that occasion -- in > particular the "crappy experiences", but a platform cannot be both open and > closed at the same time. Part of the so-called freedom of open software is > that users and companies can take the software in whatever direction they > choose. Google is not ready for that to happen so for the present at least > the software is not open. >> >> When you say Apple fanatics what do you mean exactly? Do mean that all > users of Apple products are deluded in some fashion into believing that they > are using quality software? It's strange that Apple's competitors seem to be > fanatics as well as the phone and table offerings are mostly following > behind Apple's lead as fast as their production teams can copy them. Have a > look at smartphones before the iPhone and have a look at smartphones now. > You can do the same for tablets -- which weren't even a popular category of > product before the iPad. >> >> As for WebOS, when you say "over all the mobile platforms", I hope you > mean over all your mobile platforms as I am quite happy with iOS. >> >> Cheers, >> Carlo >> >> On 2011-07-11, at 13:52, Rod Lavington wrote: >> >>> So this quote from the second article: >>> >>> "Android boss Andy Rubin says Honeycomb is not ready for phones. If > Google were to open it up to the world at large, it could end up on > smartphones and users might end up with some crappy experiences." >>> >>> does not suggest that Google are keeping Honeycomb closed shop for a > reason, other than not keeping it open? So, Apple fanatics believe > everything that comes out of Cupertino as gospel, yet don't believe the head > of Google's Android division..... >>> >>> Anyhoo, the issue is more about the security of social networks, not > about one particular platform's misgivings :) >>> >>> Personally, I would use WebOS over all the mobile platforms in a > heartbeat. Alas, its not available in Australia (yet) >>> >>> Seeya >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:24 PM, cm <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Rod, >>> >>> I agree that Google does needs to do something as the Android platform > fragmentation and security is woeful. I just think that many Android > supporters don't see the contradiction when they complain that Apple is > keeping the iPhone closed and that it should be open like Android, when the > reality is that Google is now trying to imitate the success of the iPhone by > taking more control. The second article is purely factual about the closing > of the Honeycomb source code and makes no value judgements. The first > article is more interesting in that there are a number of levers that Google > uses to keep control of the platform that most Android users are not even > aware of. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carlo >>> >>> On 2011-07-11, at 13:09, Rod Lavington wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Carlo, >>>> >>>> Have to take issue with the second article. Anyone that has followed > Android through its many versions will understand why Google don't want to > open up Honeycomb. Ice Cream Sandwich is on target to be released later on > this year, that will reunite both the phone and tablet OS versions of > Android (Gingerbread and Honeycomb). I'd say Google let a handful of top > manufacturer's release Honeycomb tablets to keep Android out there, but will > let everyone use Ice Cream Sandwich when available later on this year. And > considering the woeful fragmentation over the different Android models, I > can understand why Google wants to put the brakes on a bit! >>>> >>>> I think HP with WebOS has the right mix of user interaction with code > (through the Homebrewers) and keeping the rest of the code strictly HP only. > No need for jailbreaking, and you can root the phone and unroot through the > developers menu. Too bad nobody uses them ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Rod! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM, cm <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Reg, >>>> >>>> I think your son is wise to question. I am not sure of the connection > between left wing and Android, but maybe your son would like to look at > these articles about the control that Google exerts over the Android > platform while loudly claiming that it is free and open. >>>> >>>> > http://www.asbigo.com/motorola/skyhook-filings-detail-googles-tight-control-of-android-platform/ >>>> >>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-honeycomb-open-2011-3 >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Carlo >>>> >>>> On 2011-07-11, at 12:25, Reg Whitely wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Paul >>>>> >>>>> Reg Whitely >>>>> >>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272 >>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313 >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/07/2011, at 12:03 pm, Paul K wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I do understand that you did not intend to incite fear, just healthy >>>>>> skepticism. A good thing. But I draw your attention to Reg's response: >>>>>> >>>>>> "My son is keen to try it an good luck to him, and >>>>>> I need to point out he has no association with WAMUG whatsoever, but > in doing >>>>>> so perhaps he's putting the rest of his family at risk." >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm happy to be corrected by both Reg and you, however to me Reg >>>>>> sounds a bit spooked. >>>>> >>>>> Damien is a clever young man and is quite left wing when it comes to > multinationals and security 'terrorists'. Where possible he would use > android and linux! >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure he will read the fine print. I brought him into the discussion > only because he has invited me to join Google+, and I'm not keen on it. I am > on Facebook and took a lot of time screwing down its security to protect me > and my family and friends as much as possible. >>>>> >>>>> I dislike Twitter and have no association with it, and a brief early > foray into Myspace still presents me with spurious young ladies wishing to > make my acquaintance - not!. >>>>> >>>>> Ronni's research came at just the right time for me to reassess this > situation. >>>>> >>>>> This animated growth model of Facebook security is worth viewing. Note > it is current only to 2010: >>>>> >>>>> http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ >>>>> >>>>> Reg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If so, IMHO I believe that to be unwarranted. >>>>>> As I said earlier if the end user perceives benefit as weighed against >>>>>> the risk then a good thing has happened. >>>>>> If it came across as a jab I apologise, it was only intended as a > nudge :-) >>>>>> Maybe what I could have said is; yes skepticism is a healthy thing but >>>>>> you did not speculate much about the potential benefits just the >>>>>> potential risks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]>
