LOL. That's generous of you Rod. :-D Cheers, Carlo
On 2011-07-11, at 14:27, Rod Lavington wrote: > You win Carlo. > > Cheers > > Rod :) > On Jul 11, 2011 2:19 PM, "cm" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Rod, > > > > I have no reason to doubt what Andy Rubin said on that occasion -- in > > particular the "crappy experiences", but a platform cannot be both open and > > closed at the same time. Part of the so-called freedom of open software is > > that users and companies can take the software in whatever direction they > > choose. Google is not ready for that to happen so for the present at least > > the software is not open. > > > > When you say Apple fanatics what do you mean exactly? Do mean that all > > users of Apple products are deluded in some fashion into believing that > > they are using quality software? It's strange that Apple's competitors seem > > to be fanatics as well as the phone and table offerings are mostly > > following behind Apple's lead as fast as their production teams can copy > > them. Have a look at smartphones before the iPhone and have a look at > > smartphones now. You can do the same for tablets -- which weren't even a > > popular category of product before the iPad. > > > > As for WebOS, when you say "over all the mobile platforms", I hope you mean > > over all your mobile platforms as I am quite happy with iOS. > > > > Cheers, > > Carlo > > > > On 2011-07-11, at 13:52, Rod Lavington wrote: > > > >> So this quote from the second article: > >> > >> "Android boss Andy Rubin says Honeycomb is not ready for phones. If Google > >> were to open it up to the world at large, it could end up on smartphones > >> and users might end up with some crappy experiences." > >> > >> does not suggest that Google are keeping Honeycomb closed shop for a > >> reason, other than not keeping it open? So, Apple fanatics believe > >> everything that comes out of Cupertino as gospel, yet don't believe the > >> head of Google's Android division..... > >> > >> Anyhoo, the issue is more about the security of social networks, not about > >> one particular platform's misgivings :) > >> > >> Personally, I would use WebOS over all the mobile platforms in a > >> heartbeat. Alas, its not available in Australia (yet) > >> > >> Seeya > >> > >> Rod > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:24 PM, cm <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Rod, > >> > >> I agree that Google does needs to do something as the Android platform > >> fragmentation and security is woeful. I just think that many Android > >> supporters don't see the contradiction when they complain that Apple is > >> keeping the iPhone closed and that it should be open like Android, when > >> the reality is that Google is now trying to imitate the success of the > >> iPhone by taking more control. The second article is purely factual about > >> the closing of the Honeycomb source code and makes no value judgements. > >> The first article is more interesting in that there are a number of levers > >> that Google uses to keep control of the platform that most Android users > >> are not even aware of. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Carlo > >> > >> On 2011-07-11, at 13:09, Rod Lavington wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Carlo, > >>> > >>> Have to take issue with the second article. Anyone that has followed > >>> Android through its many versions will understand why Google don't want > >>> to open up Honeycomb. Ice Cream Sandwich is on target to be released > >>> later on this year, that will reunite both the phone and tablet OS > >>> versions of Android (Gingerbread and Honeycomb). I'd say Google let a > >>> handful of top manufacturer's release Honeycomb tablets to keep Android > >>> out there, but will let everyone use Ice Cream Sandwich when available > >>> later on this year. And considering the woeful fragmentation over the > >>> different Android models, I can understand why Google wants to put the > >>> brakes on a bit! > >>> > >>> I think HP with WebOS has the right mix of user interaction with code > >>> (through the Homebrewers) and keeping the rest of the code strictly HP > >>> only. No need for jailbreaking, and you can root the phone and unroot > >>> through the developers menu. Too bad nobody uses them ;) > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Rod! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:49 PM, cm <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Hi Reg, > >>> > >>> I think your son is wise to question. I am not sure of the connection > >>> between left wing and Android, but maybe your son would like to look at > >>> these articles about the control that Google exerts over the Android > >>> platform while loudly claiming that it is free and open. > >>> > >>> http://www.asbigo.com/motorola/skyhook-filings-detail-googles-tight-control-of-android-platform/ > >>> > >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-honeycomb-open-2011-3 > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Carlo > >>> > >>> On 2011-07-11, at 12:25, Reg Whitely wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Paul > >>>> > >>>> Reg Whitely > >>>> > >>>> Home: 08 9921 7272 > >>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313 > >>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 11/07/2011, at 12:03 pm, Paul K wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I do understand that you did not intend to incite fear, just healthy > >>>>> skepticism. A good thing. But I draw your attention to Reg's response: > >>>>> > >>>>> "My son is keen to try it an good luck to him, and > >>>>> I need to point out he has no association with WAMUG whatsoever, but in > >>>>> doing > >>>>> so perhaps he's putting the rest of his family at risk." > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm happy to be corrected by both Reg and you, however to me Reg > >>>>> sounds a bit spooked. > >>>> > >>>> Damien is a clever young man and is quite left wing when it comes to > >>>> multinationals and security 'terrorists'. Where possible he would use > >>>> android and linux! > >>>> > >>>> I'm sure he will read the fine print. I brought him into the discussion > >>>> only because he has invited me to join Google+, and I'm not keen on it. > >>>> I am on Facebook and took a lot of time screwing down its security to > >>>> protect me and my family and friends as much as possible. > >>>> > >>>> I dislike Twitter and have no association with it, and a brief early > >>>> foray into Myspace still presents me with spurious young ladies wishing > >>>> to make my acquaintance - not!. > >>>> > >>>> Ronni's research came at just the right time for me to reassess this > >>>> situation. > >>>> > >>>> This animated growth model of Facebook security is worth viewing. Note > >>>> it is current only to 2010: > >>>> > >>>> http://mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/ > >>>> > >>>> Reg > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> If so, IMHO I believe that to be unwarranted. > >>>>> As I said earlier if the end user perceives benefit as weighed against > >>>>> the risk then a good thing has happened. > >>>>> If it came across as a jab I apologise, it was only intended as a nudge > >>>>> :-) > >>>>> Maybe what I could have said is; yes skepticism is a healthy thing but > >>>>> you did not speculate much about the potential benefits just the > >>>>> potential risks. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> Paul > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >>> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > >> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > > Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Unsubscribe - <mailto:[email protected]>
