Also just my opinion Duncan. Not that of WAMUG ! On 30/06/2012, at 5:31 PM, Duncan Hardman wrote:
> So I have been reading these messages trying to form an opinion and > thought I should post while I am still able. I must admit though, > comments like this (Stephens) are unhelpful - just my opinion though. > > Can I ask, as I can't find them on the WAMUG website, does WAMUG > publish its accounts. This would help with your argument about the > cost of running WAMUG and where the money goes etc. > > Anyway just a thought. > > Duncan > > > > On 30 June 2012 17:18, Stephen Chape <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely. >> I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership. >> I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost >> involved with running the list invaluable. >> >> As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we >> can do without ! >> >> Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful ! >> >> >> On 28/06/2012, at 11:08 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: >> >>> Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,... >>> >>> But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is >>> nothing stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they >>> require help, they can then sign up. >>> >>> There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other >>> costs. Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind >>> the scenes. (of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time >>> and resources put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this >>> list. (Have you been to some of the other lists that have advertising >>> everywhere?). >>> >>> Plus you only have to look around at other support costs. >>> Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free >>> 90 day phone support). >>> Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling >>> costs/your time/parking costs! lol >>> Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I >>> have a fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist >>> support). Which is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else >>> said it's a user-paid world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all >>> charge. People have to make a living. >>> So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well >>> worth it. >>> >>> And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a >>> fee and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey >>> completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time >>> discussing it. (let alone getting it all place). >>> >>> I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make. >>> Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own >>> views,.... >>> >>> Enjoy! :o) >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Daniel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4s >>> >>> --- >>> Daniel Kerr >>> MacWizardry >>> >>> Phone: 0414 795 960 >>> Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> >>> Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> >>> >>> >>> **For everything Apple** >>> >>> On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's >>>> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) >>>> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large >>>> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there >>>> and a warrantied paid service technician. >>>> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past. >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Adieu >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, >>>>> >>>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the >>>>> years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out >>>>> on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need >>>>> at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read >>>>> any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive >>>>> WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you >>>>> ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we >>>>> would love to see you there. >>>>> >>>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. >>>>> Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of >>>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are >>>>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random >>>>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. >>>>> Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this >>>>> category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember >>>>> that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge >>>>> for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a >>>>> consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, >>>>> fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second >>>>> solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we >>>>> will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay >>>>> the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the p ro >> s >>> p >>>> ec >>>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a >>>>> mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and >>>>> our website will be updated to reflect this. >>>>> >>>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are >>>>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Carlo >>>>> >>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Eugene >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, >>>>>> in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries >>>>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want >>>>>> this to continue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Reg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Reg Whitely >>>>>> >>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272 >>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313 >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be >>>>>>> the last time I am able to write to the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, >>>>>>> attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and >>>>>>> work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence >>>>>>> at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG >>>>>>> mailing list I was able to maintain contact. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving >>>>>>> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate >>>>>>> response from others when I encountered problems myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the >>>>>>> friendly dialogue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Eugene >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about >>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by >>>>>>>> the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have >>>>>>>> answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course >>>>>>>> the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the >>>>>>>> effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see >>>>>>>> myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social >>>>>>>> organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small >>>>>>>> amount to you still working, I need to be careful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List >>>>>>>> which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up >>>>>>>> member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in >>>>>>>> Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help >>>>>>>> List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't >>>>>>>> have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to >>>>>>>> send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is >>>>>>>> that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do >>>>>>>> publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter Sealy >>>>>>>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA >>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> >> >> Regards, >> Stephen Chape >> >> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
