Ahh bad link sorry. http://apple.stackexchange.com/
On 28/06/2012, at 10:28 AM, Michael Bramwell wrote: > To paraphrase from the site its a community driven Q&A site for users of > Apple hardware and software. > > On 28/06/2012, at 9:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: > >>> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . >> >> What has that site got to do with Apple or support? >> >> Sent from Ronni's iPad >> >> On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied >>> to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is >>> something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My >>> initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active >>> community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought >>> was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk. >>> >>> For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . >>> >>> Mike. >>> >>> On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: >>> >>>> I agree Tim. >>>> >>>> I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial >>>> member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it >>>> possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. >>>> Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! >>>> >>>> I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is >>>> difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't >>>> use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the >>>> $30, that is their choice to make. >>>> >>>> The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for >>>> an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge >>>> that for one email support issue. >>>> >>>> I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, >>>> but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. >>>> >>>> The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I >>>> applaud their decision. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ronni >>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad >>>> >>>> On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. >>>>> >>>>> But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to >>>>> ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. >>>>> >>>>> I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to >>>>> receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non >>>>> computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and >>>>> their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. >>>>> >>>>> I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests >>>>> from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to >>>>> the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is >>>>> likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between >>>>> applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. >>>>> >>>>> I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to >>>>> exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees >>>>> decision. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, >>>>>> >>>>>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the >>>>>> years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out >>>>>> on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need >>>>>> at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read >>>>>> any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive >>>>>> WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you >>>>>> ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we >>>>>> would love to see you there. >>>>>> >>>>>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. >>>>>> Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of >>>>>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee >>>>>> are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a >>>>>> random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then >>>>>> disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to >>>>>> this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly >>>>>> remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable >>>>>> call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you >>>>>> need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all >>>>>> pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The >>>>>> second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee >>>>>> meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot >>>>>> afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential >>>>>> between the p > r >> o >>> s >>>> p >>>>> ec >>>>>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a >>>>>> mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and >>>>>> our website will be updated to reflect this. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we >>>>>> are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> Carlo >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Eugene >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, >>>>>>> in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries >>>>>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and >>>>>>> want this to continue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reg Whitely >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Home: 08 9921 7272 >>>>>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313 >>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be >>>>>>>> the last time I am able to write to the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, >>>>>>>> attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family >>>>>>>> and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical >>>>>>>> presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the >>>>>>>> WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem >>>>>>>> solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and >>>>>>>> accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the >>>>>>>> friendly dialogue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Eugene >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about >>>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by >>>>>>>>> the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have >>>>>>>>> answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course >>>>>>>>> the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the >>>>>>>>> effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see >>>>>>>>> myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social >>>>>>>>> organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small >>>>>>>>> amount to you still working, I need to be careful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List >>>>>>>>> which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up >>>>>>>>> member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived >>>>>>>>> in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help >>>>>>>>> List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't >>>>>>>>> have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to >>>>>>>>> send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning >>>>>>>>> is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough >>>>>>>>> we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Peter Sealy >>>>>>>>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA >>>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
