Hello Daniel ... I am with you completely. I am absolutely staggered at the response to having to pay annual membership. I find the assistance from the group and obviously the time and cost involved with running the list invaluable.
As far as I am concerned anyone who objects to paying a $30.00 annual fee we can do without ! Some of the responses have been nothing short of disgraceful ! On 28/06/2012, at 11:08 AM, Daniel Kerr wrote: > Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,... > > But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is nothing > stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they require > help, they can then sign up. > > There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other > costs. Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind the > scenes. (of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time and > resources put in for free). There is no "real" advertising on this list. > (Have you been to some of the other lists that have advertising everywhere?). > > Plus you only have to look around at other support costs. > Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 90 > day phone support). > Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling costs/your > time/parking costs! lol > Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I have > a fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist support). > Which is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else said it's a > user-paid world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all charge. People > have to make a living. > So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well worth > it. > > And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a > fee and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey > completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time > discussing it. (let alone getting it all place). > > I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make. > Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own views,.... > > Enjoy! :o) > > Kind regards > Daniel > > Sent from my iPhone 4s > > --- > Daniel Kerr > MacWizardry > > Phone: 0414 795 960 > Email: <daniel AT macwizardry.com.au> > Web: <http://www.macwizardry.com.au> > > > **For everything Apple** > > On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's >> suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) >> and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large >> group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there >> and a warrantied paid service technician. >> Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past. >> Hugh >> >>> Subject: Re: Adieu >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800 >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, >>> >>> We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years >>> and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other >>> occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to >>> end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all >>> posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to >>> your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be >>> passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see >>> you there. >>> >>> The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running >>> the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of >>> contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are >>> entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random >>> question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly >>> neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of >>> user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG >>> membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac >>> consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider >>> joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and >>> you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to >>> offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries >>> for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would >>> be entirely confidential between the pro s > p >> ec >>> tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail >>> out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our >>> website will be updated to reflect this. >>> >>> So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are >>> grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Carlo >>> >>> On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Eugene >>>> >>>> I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in >>>> so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. >>>> >>>> As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries >>>> from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want >>>> this to continue. >>>> >>>> Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. >>>> >>>> Reg >>>> >>>> >>>> Reg Whitely >>>> >>>> Home: 08 9921 7272 >>>> Mob: 04 8899 7313 >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: >>>> >>>>> Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the >>>>> last time I am able to write to the list. >>>>> >>>>> I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, >>>>> attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and >>>>> work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence >>>>> at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG >>>>> mailing list I was able to maintain contact. >>>>> >>>>> From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving >>>>> and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response >>>>> from others when I encountered problems myself. >>>>> >>>>> I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the >>>>> friendly dialogue. >>>>> >>>>> I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Eugene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the >>>>>> time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered >>>>>> someone else has answered the question, most often of course the >>>>>> indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put >>>>>> in by many others to contribute to the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself >>>>>> as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. >>>>>> >>>>>> As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social >>>>>> organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount >>>>>> to you still working, I need to be careful. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which >>>>>> keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member >>>>>> of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra >>>>>> for many years but now live in Albury. >>>>>> >>>>>> We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help >>>>>> List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't >>>>>> have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send >>>>>> your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that >>>>>> our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do >>>>>> publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Sealy >>>>>> Thurgoona AUSTRALIA >>>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>>> >>>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>>> >>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >>> >>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >>> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >>> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >>> Settings & Unsubscribe - >>> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> >> >> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Regards, Stephen Chape -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> Settings & Unsubscribe - <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
