Thank you Ronni. Your email is now in my Storage folder in case I need to refer to it. However I seem to have it all on track now !
> On 27 Apr 2015, at 4:29 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Walter and all members who are confused how to migrate/import to Photos > from iPhoto. Walter & Peter have not done it correctly. > Walter the first time you open Photos you do not import any photos from the > desktop, you are doing a transition/import of your complete iPhoto Library. > > How to: Move your iPhoto or Aperture Library to Photos > As you have previously been using iPhoto or Aperture on your Mac and iPhoto > Library or Aperture Library is in the default location (User Home > Pictures > folder) > > 1. When you first clicked on Photos app and the Welcome Screen appears, you > should click on the Blue Box 'Get Started'. > > 2. If you were previously using iPhoto or Aperture, after clicking the 'Get > Started', it searches your system and detects your iPhoto and Aperture > libraries. > Select which Library you want to use with Photos from the list > Which (unless you changed the name of your iPhoto Library) will be 'iPhoto > Library' > > 3. Once you select the library, it presents the option to set up iCloud Photo > Library, (Apple's iCloud-based photo and video syncing and storage service. > This will allow you to sync all the Photos from your Mac and iOS device to > each of your other devices, keeping your edits and albums in sync.) > At this stage, especially if you are not sure about putting ALL your pictures > into iCloud Photo Library - I recommend you DON'T - (you can always set that > up later under Photo's Preferences from the menu bar; it's optional and never > required unless you want automatic, cloud-based syncing. > > 4. It then starts to Prepare your library to transition to Photos. > Your old photo libraries will stay on your Mac if you decide you want to use > iPhoto or Aperture (because it is more for Professional photographers & has > more powerful editing tools and built-in support for external editors). > However, if you make any changes in those libraries, they will NOT > automatically sync over to your new Photos Library.... As I mentioned in my > previous email below. > > Most of the data from iPhoto and Aperture will transfer to the Photos app. > Faces is still the same. Also, if you were using star ratings, flags and > color labels in iPhoto & Aperture, they are still around in Photos, but they > are now Keywords and assigned to the photos. You'll notice your Events from > your previous photo library is organised alongside albums in the new Photos > app preserving your organisation. > > Hopefully this email and my previous emails to the list will help clear any > confusion. > > On my own Macs and my clients Macs the transition has gone very smoothly and > easy without any issues at all. > > Cheers, > Ronni > > Sent from Ronni's iPad4 > > > On 27 Apr 2015, at 12:22 pm, F.W. Hänel <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Hi Ronni, >> >> On the same subject. >> Have this morning installed the 10.10.3 software. >> After I opened Photos it goes into a tutorial: “Welcome to Photos” I >> declined iCloud sharing. >> The sidebar shows Photos, but when I click on it there are no photos. I have >> been able to successfully import 1 photo from the desktop >> into Photos. >> I can still see the photos on my TV via Apple TV. Do I have to manually >> import all the photos ? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Cheers >> Walter >> >> >>> On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:50 , Severin Crisp <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Ronni, many thanks for that elegant explanation. You have saved me from a >>> possible disaster - I had saved my iPhoto libraries in place, all 21 of >>> them - and planned to trash them when all had seemed settled! >>> Hope you can enjoy a sunny day without worrying about too many other >>> people’s problems! >>> Severin >>> >>>> On 27 Apr 2015, at 11:39 am, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh Peter, >>>> >>>> I said I would get back to you when possible, I wish you had waited. I am >>>> busy with Clients work and really don’t have time at present but reading >>>> your email I decided to reply to try to explain quickly how the process >>>> works. >>>> >>>> What you are now doing is Creating a NEW iPhoto Library (Duplicating all >>>> the Media Files in iPhoto Library package)! >>>> You are not understanding the iPhoto & Photos Directory structure... and >>>> how ‘Hard Links’ work so there is no duplication or extra space required >>>> on the system. >>>> >>>> The Transition/Import from iPhoto to Photos has to be done on your wife’s >>>> MBP where the Library files are in the correct locations to link the two >>>> libraries using ‘Hard Links’. >>>> >>>> Hard Facts about Hard Links >>>> On import, Photos makes a Hard Link to all iPhoto media assets in its own >>>> library package, using the same directory structure as iPhoto (The >>>> libraries say they’re roughly the same size, but in fact, they’re sharing >>>> disk space via hard links). >>>> Think of hard links as a cousin of Finder aliases—rather than existing in >>>> one place with an alias in a different location, files that are 'hard >>>> linked' appear to live in two places at once, but only take up the space >>>> of a single file. >>>> >>>> Your old library won't be converted, just imported, so you can still open >>>> it in Aperture or iPhoto if you like (though once you import, if you do >>>> anything new with that library in Aperture, it won't carry over to the >>>> Photos version). >>>> >>>> So what happens if you edit one of those files? Something clever: if I >>>> edit a file from a migrated iPhoto library in Photoshop, that version is >>>> altered—but the version in the Photos library is untouched. >>>> Basically, the act of modifying a hard-linked file causes the link to >>>> break. Now there are two different files, both taking up disk space, >>>> living independently. >>>> For Mac users accustomed to the a-file-is-a-file approach of the Finder, >>>> this one’s a bit of a head-scratcher, but it’s a smart move by Apple to >>>> allow us to migrate to Photos without duplicating an entire library and >>>> eating all of our free disk space—or worse, never bothering to upgrade to >>>> Photos because we don’t have the room. >>>> >>>> The new Photos library references the same master images as your old >>>> library, so you don't need the space to store images twice. It also makes >>>> for an incredibly efficient migration process. >>>> --- >>>> But because of your initial (dare I say - stuffup) this hasn’t happened. >>>> How to correct it?? I need more information - what is on your wife’s MBP. >>>> From what I can ascertain from your emails - >>>> A). On your wife's MBP in her User Home Folder > Pictures - there are >>>> these two files "iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibary” and "Photos >>>> Library.photoslibrary"… Is this correct? >>>> B). And your wife's MBP only has ONE iPhoto Library on her system... is >>>> this correct? >>>> C). And when you try to open PHOTOS on her MBP it doesn’t open... is this >>>> correct - or what happens? >>>> >>>> One suggestion I will make: >>>> On her MBP - If she double-clicks on the "Photos Library.photoslibrary" >>>> does it open in PHOTOS? >>>> If NOT >>>> Hold down the Option key as you open the PHOTOS app in the Dock to see the >>>> 'Choose Library dialog' window. >>>> Click 'Other Library' >>>> Select the 'iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary' >>>> See if that completes the ‘preparing for import’ >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27 Apr 2015, at 6:26 am, [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ronni. I think I've cracked it. I opened iPhoto with Option held >>>>> and selected "Create New". I set a new location for the new database >>>>> library file. Once that was set up, I then selected Import and pointed to >>>>> the "transitioning" iPhoto Library that I've been unable to open up in >>>>> the conventional way. So last night it was able to commence the import of >>>>> the photos and i can see the images on screen as it counts down. The >>>>> transitioning Library was ~250GB and I had no choice but to let it >>>>> proceed when it asked "confirm you have enough disc space" - I had ~750GB >>>>> free on my 2TB drive which at the time seemed enough. Once it had >>>>> started, it said "Importing 335,000 photos"!!! I don't recall there ever >>>>> being that many, however, it was still Importing this morning with >>>>> 225,000 to go but only 250GB space left. I think it will run out of space >>>>> at that rate.Oh well, I am not so worried about that, at least I have now >>>>> got a way to access them. I will get myself another 2TB drive and when I >>>>> am home will start the process again. I am somewhat puzzled though that >>>>> it is now apparently much larger than it was. Perhaps there is a >>>>> compression that can be done or maybe this is all a consequence of the >>>>> process of how I've got into this pickle. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe there is still another method to properly unpick the library >>>>> without resorting to an Import process. I am keen to hear if you or >>>>> anyone else has encountered this and methods for unpicking the mess I've >>>>> got myself into. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Pete. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Cc: >>>>> >>>>> Sent: >>>>> Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:53:44 +0800 >>>>> Subject: >>>>> Re: iPhoto to Photos migration >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>> >>>>> I haven't got time tonight, but I will get back to your problem when >>>>> possible. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ronni >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 Apr 2015, at 4:20 pm, [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ronni, yes I feel a real goose for the steps I took (in hindsight). >>>>> >>>>> As I work away (and am away from home for a further 2 odd weeks), I >>>>> placed a copy of both (iPhoto and Photos) library files onto my 2TB >>>>> external drive and using my Retina MBP to try and unpick this mess >>>>> remotely from my Wifes MBP. A necessity as this happened the day prior to >>>>> my departure. >>>>> >>>>> So i have the two files "iPhoto Library" and "Photos Library" both >>>>> sitting within one folder on the external drive (each file is saying >>>>> around 295GB from Get Info but not identical sizes). They are also still >>>>> in place in the User>Photos folder on my Wife's MBP as I restored the >>>>> iPhoto library from Trash using the "Put Back" command. >>>>> >>>>> When I attempt to open the iPhoto library (using the Option key method on >>>>> my Retina), it reflects as iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary Which >>>>> would suggest that the library underwent the start of its transformation >>>>> in readiness to be 'hard linked' with the Photos library. But the >>>>> transformation was never completed. >>>>> >>>>> I do not have a backup I can revert to at any stage prior to the update - >>>>> coz I blew away the Sparesebundle! >>>>> >>>>> Pete. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> "WAMUG" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Cc: >>>>> >>>>> Sent: >>>>> Sun, 26 Apr 2015 15:38:45 +0800 >>>>> Subject: >>>>> Re: iPhoto to Photos migration >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Peter, >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like you have really messed up the transition/import of iPhoto >>>>> Library to Photos... and then did a Time Machine backup BEFORE testing >>>>> everything was working correctly.... >>>>> >>>>> The first time you launch Photos, it searches your system for iPhoto and >>>>> Aperture libraries. If only one library fits the bill, it imports that >>>>> library. Otherwise, it opens the Choose Library dialog window - Choose a >>>>> library from the list, and Photos prepares the library for import. >>>>> >>>>> Photos needs to prepare your iPhoto Library before it imports into a new >>>>> Photos library. >>>>> When you import an iPhoto library into Photos, your existing library >>>>> remains intact. The net result of the import is that you’ll have two >>>>> separate libraries on your Mac’s drive: your old iPhoto library and a new >>>>> Photos library >>>>> >>>>> The Import does NOT duplicate iPhoto Library but uses “Hard Links". Your >>>>> iPhoto Library remains intact, BUT a new Photos Library comes into being. >>>>> The Libraries say they’re roughly the same size, but in fact, they’re >>>>> 'sharing disk space' via ‘hard links’. >>>>> >>>>> After the successful transition ‘Migration' from iPhoto to Photos you >>>>> will have in your User > Pictures folder - 2 separate Libraries: >>>>> "iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary” AND “Photos Library.photoslibrary" >>>>> >>>>> On 25 Apr 2015, at 9:30 am, [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Last week I updated my wife's 2012 MBP to latest OSX which brought the >>>>> new Photos application. I had done my own 2014 Retina MBP previously >>>>> without issue and have all my images carried over into Photos without a >>>>> hitch >>>>> >>>>> The issue with my Wife's machine is I did the update and am unable to see >>>>> the images in Photos. I just get the intro screen with the 4 options for >>>>> a new user. I've done the "Option" whilst starting it up and directed it >>>>> to the new Photo Library file and still nothing. The Photo Library file >>>>> shows in Get Info of 295GB so it would appear to be a file containing the >>>>> picture and video files but how do I access it? >>>>> >>>>> An issue potentially caused by me was that after the update, I ran a >>>>> cleaner (Cleanmymac) and it did some cleaning. I did in my travels after >>>>> the cleaning notice in the Trash can was the old iPhoto Library!!! I >>>>> assume this was an action of cleanmymac. So I selected "Put Back" and it >>>>> in turn is now placed alongside the Photos Library in the default Apple >>>>> folder location. >>>>> >>>>> It was only after this that I opened Photos for the first time and I >>>>> suspect that upon first opening, it runs a script which does the >>>>> migration (but not duplication) of image files. >>>>> >>>>> Oh goodness... Yes, that is correct. The first time Photos is opened (as >>>>> I’ve mentioned above) the transition (Import from iPhoto) is run. >>>>> But you are saying your wife’s iPhoto Library was not in the correct >>>>> location in Pictures... but was sitting in the Trash! >>>>> >>>>> It gets worse - much worse I am afraid. >>>>> >>>>> I don’t want to read anymore :( >>>>> >>>>> During the update I turned Time Machine off to prevent unwanted backups >>>>> during the process of updating. I think this is a recommended practice >>>>> anyway. Well, after the dust settled (but before running Photos) I turned >>>>> TM back on and it goes through the Preparing Backup routine for a looong >>>>> while and then says Backing Up 325GB!!! I pressed the cross to stop that >>>>> and thought about it a bit. Running low on TM disc space and having done >>>>> this previously (and never once having had to call upon the TM backup to >>>>> retrieve anything in the 6 years of Mac ownership) decided I would delete >>>>> the Sparesebundle file and do a new Backup from scratch . I suspect that >>>>> the Preparing Backup routine spotted the iPhoto Library in the Trash and >>>>> the Photos library in its normal home and detected there are two >>>>> libraries to back up hence the order of magnitude of the backup. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, now that I am over this, I still have the problem where neither >>>>> iPhoto nor Photos will open showing my wifes previous images. >>>>> >>>>> When I launch iPhoto - I get a message "Aperture needs updating" so when >>>>> I try that, it says the version of Aperture required is not available in >>>>> the Australian Apple Store - so no good there >>>>> >>>>> When I launch Photos - I get the first time user screen. If I select >>>>> Albums, I see the greyed image of the previous Events folders as Albums >>>>> and the names of Albums are accurate per the previous iPhotos Events >>>>> folder, but upon opening, nothing is visible. Still no images. >>>>> >>>>> Whilst in hindsight some of my actions have been not very good, I still >>>>> don't understand why I can get at my images/videos? >>>>> >>>>> Whilst in hindsight now ‘some’ but almost all your actions have not been >>>>> good from what I can ascertain from your email :( >>>>> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas how to get out of this pickle? >>>>> >>>>> Let us now exactly what Library files you have in User > Pictures please >>>>> - and also if you have a backup of your wife’s iPhoto Library BEFORE you >>>>> did the Update to OS X 10.10.3? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Ronni >>>>> >>>>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 >>>>> 2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD >>>>> >>>>> OS X Yosemite 10.10.3 >>>>> >>>>> Pete :( > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Regards, Stephen Chape
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