Hi Ronni, no worries about the Chris thing. I've been called that and more and my wife gets the same too.
Sorry, there is no backup. Another lesson learnt there, With 5 of us in the house and Time Machine I've been ok with that. I should have cloned prior to the update. :((( What I was considering with a third party photo app was to "Move" the iPhoto and Photos libraries off the hard disc (for making space and storage purposes and perhaps a later rectify attempt) onto an external drive to make some space, then take a Copy of the "Masters" folder from within the iPhoto Package back into the Pictures folder on the Hard disc of my Wife's MBP. Unmount the external drive. Then, install Picasa (or Lyn) and it will scan the "Masters" folder which contains all the original images in the Year/Month/Day folder structure as created by iPhoto at the time of original import. I direct Picasa to Import to the "Masters" folder for any future imports off the phone or camera. I use Picasa on my work computer (Windows) and familiar with it's operation and importing from phone (Android as required by employer). I have held off doing this (Picasa) as I am doing as you suggested below as a final attempt, I did another Repair of the Photos library and currently it's sitting there and maybe indexing in the background. A worthwhile attempt. I will leave it till tomorrow before resigning to next step. I use Picasa as previously indicated but also aware of "Lyn" as a Mac specific photo management software. Have you or anyone had any experience with that one? It reads well over a small number of reviews. Regards Pete > On 17 May 2015, at 11:33 am, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry Peter for calling you 'Chris' below... that is another problem I'm > working on :( > > Sent from Ronni's iPad4 > > >> On 17 May 2015, at 11:18 am, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> This is so disappointing - If only you had a backup of the original (working >> correctly) iPhoto Library. :( >> You definitely don't have any backup of this iPhoto Library on an external >> drive or something? >> I find it hard to believe that you would ONLY rely on Time Machine for >> backups... no CCC or SuperDuper! backups or just photos backed up on a >> external drive. >> >> Chris, Before you make this decision, give the Photos Repair another go and >> this time - after the repair completes 100% and the Photos App remains >> open.... and displays No images only blank gray albums - Leave it open for >> all day. >> The Photos Library is 292.84GB size, so a large amount of photos to be >> converted/upgraded and also a lot of Spotlight reindexing is being done in >> the background, this could take many hours. >> >> Disconnect anything attached to the MBP, quit all other applications. >> Launch Photos with The Command and Option keys held down, in the resulting >> your library will be repaired window - click Repair >> After it completes repair just leave Photos open and leave it for as many >> hours as possible overnight if you can... and let's see what happens >> >> Picasa: >> I've never used Picasa so don't know much about it. >> But I'm not sure if you will get Picasa to work now in OS X 10.10.3 with >> your current (faulty) iPhoto Library that has been upgraded for Photos. >> From what I can find out about Picasa it doesn't store any of your photos, >> it simply scans your hard drive and displays the photos it finds. In this >> way, Picasa folders represent the actual directories containing photos on >> your Mac's hard drive. >> Picasa handles the iPhoto Library in the same way, with a small variation >> made for the way the iPhoto Library organizes your photos: If you've made >> edits in iPhoto, each album or event in your iPhoto Library contains an >> 'Originals' folder and a 'Modified' folder. Picasa scans the photos and >> videos in both the 'Originals' and 'Modified' folders, and displays a single >> collective folder with the most recent version of each file. >> >> The photos in your iPhoto Library will be displayed in the 'iPhoto Library' >> collection as 'Read-Only' files. The Read-Only status is necessary to ensure >> that Picasa and iPhoto work well together. >> By default, Picasa for Mac will look for your iPhoto Library in Pictures > >> iPhoto Library. >> >> Let us know how you get on please. >> Best of luck. >> >> Cheers, >> Ronni >> >> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >> >> >>> On 17 May 2015, at 8:31 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Ronni, See below underlined for responses. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>>> On 16 May 2015, at 6:52 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> In the view menu of Photos be sure that the Sidebar is shown (View > Show >>>> Sidebar) - iPhoto events have been converted into albums and are in the >>>> albums sections in a folder named "iPhoto events". >>>> Can you double-click on a 'greyed box' and see an image? Yes I tried this >>>> and no images show, the header shows the Album folder name but no images. >>>> I know you mentioned before you see a white box after you click. >>>> Can you open any image under Albums in the Side? None of the iPhoto events >>>> open any images, I tried about 6 or 8 of them at random. >>>> >>>> The thumbnails are damaged and Photos doesn't have a specific First Aid >>>> procedure to Rebuild Thumbnails like iPhoto does. >>>> >>>> Something worth doing is - Boot the MBP into Recovery Volume (Command + R >>>> keys down). Select Disk Utility and 'Repair Disk Permissions' and 'Repair >>>> Disk'. >>>> Reboot normally and try Photos again. I tried this and then reboot and >>>> open Photos - still no joy, all as it was prior. >>> >>> I was contemplating a third party photo manger like Picasa or Lyn. I know >>> in theory the iPhoto and Photos pair of apps is a good thing and cleverly >>> cross mapped and I am in this pickle due to my own actions, but given the >>> intended use of the photos for my wife (she doesn't edit, just wants to >>> keep a record for posterity and have an easy to use program for viewing her >>> pics and occasional emailing of one or two), the photos are all nicely >>> configured in Year/Month/Day folders, does it really matter what front end >>> to view them with? She certainly has no desire to have two photo viewing >>> programs (iPhoto and Photos) I know that might be defeatist in reaching a >>> point like this, but I don't want to waste any more of your time given the >>> fairly exhaustive lengths gone to so far. I haven't done this yet,merely >>> contemplating. >>>> >>>> I'll send you 'off-list' a screenshot of my opened Photos showing Albums - >>>> All Photos -Faces etc FYI. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 2:16 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok see below. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 1:37 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you open iPhoto from the Dock with the Option Key held down and see >>>>>> the dialog window... "Which Photo Library do you want iPhoto to use" >>>>>> What Libraries show there?... iPhoto Library - if so click 'choose'. >>>>>> Yes, the iPhoto library shows there (the only choice), when I choose I >>>>>> get the dialogue back which says "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>> >>>>>> In the Pictures folder do you have "Aperture Library.aplibrary" >>>>>> If so what version is it? No, there is no Aperture library in the >>>>>> Pictures folder. I've not installed Aperture on any of our 5 MBP's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 12:28 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, yes I appreciate this is not simple by emails. Responses underlined. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 11:56 am, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Without knowing exactly what you did and the order in which you did >>>>>>>> things, fixing this is really hard work not being able to physically >>>>>>>> check your computer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have run the Repair Photos library as you've suggested here and it >>>>>>>>> runs through to 100%. Still same status with no photos showing after >>>>>>>>> that, old iPhoto events list still showing all greyed out. >>>>>>>> You Quit Photos.app after it completed the Repair & then relaunched >>>>>>>> Photos App normally (from the Dock)? Yes, I did this and same result, >>>>>>>> no photos showing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you have iPhoto.app in the Dock? If not place it in the Dock and >>>>>>>> try this: Yes, I put it back there onto the Dock now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Launch iPhoto App (from the dock) with COMMAND + OPTION keys held >>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>> This will bring up 'iPhoto Library First Aid’ panel >>>>>>>> 2. Select ‘Repair Permissions’ >>>>>>>> 3. Click ‘Repair’ >>>>>>>> Then Quit iPhoto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried steps above and iPhoto does not open, I get the dialogue box >>>>>>> which says "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Launch iPhoto App (from the dock) with COMMAND + OPTION keys held >>>>>>>> down again >>>>>>>> 5. Select ‘Repair Database’ >>>>>>>> 6. Click ‘Repair’ >>>>>>>> Then Quit iPhoto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Same as above, "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See if you can then launch iPhoto normally and see all your photos. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 11:09 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ever since the update to OSX, iPhoto hasn't worked - I have just been >>>>>>>>> presented with the message "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe it was the cleaner app which placed the iPhoto library in >>>>>>>>> the Trash but from over 3 weeks ago I can't recall if that cleaning >>>>>>>>> operation was before or after doing the OSX update - if I was to >>>>>>>>> guess I would say I ran the cleaner app after the OSX update. If the >>>>>>>>> cleaning was run before OSX update (and the iPhoto library was in >>>>>>>>> Trash while the OSX update ran), perhaps this is the reason. What if >>>>>>>>> I did a trial and placed the iPhoto library back in Trash (without >>>>>>>>> emptying naturally) and then tested the operation of iPhoto and >>>>>>>>> Photos? If the mapping for Photos (with its intelligent cross mapping >>>>>>>>> with iPhoto) was established with the iPhoto library in Trash, that >>>>>>>>> may account for the 'broken' front end to back end connection as the >>>>>>>>> locations of the files in the mapping table is wrong? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have run the Repair Photos library as you've suggested here and it >>>>>>>>> runs through to 100%. Still same status with no photos showing after >>>>>>>>> that, old iPhoto events list still showing all greyed out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 9:20 am, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok Peter, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned previously The file sizes on the two Libraries >>>>>>>>>> indicate the update/transition has completed... but there is some >>>>>>>>>> damage or corruption. >>>>>>>>>> When you noticed the original iPhoto Library was in the Trash and >>>>>>>>>> you then relocated that library to the correct location in Pictures >>>>>>>>>> folder... did that iPhoto Library work correctly?... that is “Did it >>>>>>>>>> show all your Photos, Albums etc? >>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to find out if the corruption was BEFORE you updated to >>>>>>>>>> Photos or AFTER. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If it was after I would suggest you try “Repairing the PHOTO >>>>>>>>>> Library” - Photos Library.photoslibrary >>>>>>>>>> 1. Hold the COMMAND and OPTION keys down and launch PHOTOS app >>>>>>>>>> 2. You will receive a dialog window - Click “Repair” >>>>>>>>>> and see ‘Repairing Library’ and a progress bar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me know your results please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 8:52 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A further piece of information on this. If i right mouse on either >>>>>>>>>>> the iPhoto or Photos libraries and select "Open Package Contents" I >>>>>>>>>>> can see the contents and the Masters folder which shows the >>>>>>>>>>> Year/Month/Date hierarchy and in turn the JPG files within the >>>>>>>>>>> bottom level folder, so they are there! It seems the mapping from >>>>>>>>>>> the app front end for both iPhoto and Photos to the JPG files is >>>>>>>>>>> 'broken'. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note, I haven't tried to do anything more, just looked. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 7:59 am, Peter Crisp >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni,yes a typo on my part, see below corrected now with >>>>>>>>>>>> underline for my input. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 May 2015, at 11:20 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I might have to take this ‘Offlist’ as I’m not too sure if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> are giving me the correct information. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check what I’ve mentioned below and reply to the list please. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll send you a document ‘Offlist’ showing screenshots of my >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Libraries BEFORE & AFTER Update/transition to Photos. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And the Option Key open Photos App to ‘Choose Library’ FYI >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Libraries before & After transition to Photos Libraries.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 May 2015, at 5:53 pm, Peter Crisp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni, I am back home now so feedback now is first-hand off >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my wife's MBP. Responses to questions inserted below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pete. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2015, at 4:44 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify a few things before I suggest anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your wife’s MBP - In her Pictures Folder there is NOT a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “iPhoto Library.photolibrary” Or "iPhoto Library”? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Pictures folder there is an iPhoto.photolibrary of size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 291.94GB >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you SURE iPhoto.photolibrary is correct - or is it iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>>>> Library.photolibrary of size 291.94GB. Yes it is in fact "iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>>>> Library.photolibrary". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is a Photos Library.photoslibrary of size 292.84GB. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That looks correct! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hold Down the Option key & keep it down as you click Photos to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open and see the ‘Choose Library' dialog window. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two options shown. Photos Library and iPhoto Library. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you SURE - or are they named Photos Library.photoslibrary and >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Library.photolibrary. Yes, it is as you say when holding >>>>>>>>>>>>> Option whilst clicking Photos there are two listed libraries. >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Photos Library.photoslibrary" and "iPhoto Library.photolibrary". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If they are named as I mention above- that is correct… that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> what you should see! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Select 'Photos Library.photoslibrary' and click Choose Library >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The file sizes on the two Libraries indicate the >>>>>>>>>>>>> update/transition has completed - you should be able to select >>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘Photos Library.photoslibrary’ to open Photos with all your >>>>>>>>>>>>> previous iPhoto photos & albums etc. Yes, I would have thought so >>>>>>>>>>>>> too. I selected "Photos Library.photoslibrary" and no photos >>>>>>>>>>>>> presented. When i click the triangle toggle for 'iPhoto Events', >>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the Events folders dating back to 2004 as they used to >>>>>>>>>>>>> present in iPhoto show as a greyed out icon beneath the 'iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>>>> Events' header (about 200 of them). If I select any one of these >>>>>>>>>>>>> greyed out event folders, i get an empty white panel to the right >>>>>>>>>>>>> side. If I select 'All Photos', also no photos are shown. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> photo images are not shown. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll send you the document in another email to you ‘Offlist’, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> please post back to the list otherwise it is a consult fee. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This has taken a lot of time trying to send & receive information >>>>>>>>>>>>> through a third party is always difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What shows there? Also what shows there if you click “Other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Library”? Takes me to a browser window Pictures to select form >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same two Photos Library and iPhoto Library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems as thought the transition/import of iPhoto Library has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not fully completed. If it had, the next time you opened the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos.app everything would look similar/ but a bit different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to iPhoto.app. I agree i think the two libraries are in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitional state. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also if it had, you would have been able to double-click on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary and you would see this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message “Your photo library has been migrated to Photos. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can open it in iPhoto, but any changes such as editing or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding new photos will not appear in the Photos app” and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Open Photos’ button would be BLUE for you to click. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was the only iPhoto Library backup on the Time Machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sparsebundle that you deleted? Yes, the only iPhoto library >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup was within the sparesebuydle I blew away, there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer to know there is a backup.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know the answers to above queries before I perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest you try to Repair the Photos Library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
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