Another thought, if I take a Copy of the “Masters” folder out to an external drive, Create a New iPhoto library (in the Pictures folder) and then Import from the “Masters” copying sitting off the hard disc, will that retrieve the images back into the new library? (I’d have to park the current if and Photos libraries off the hard disc for space reasons but, my Wife is not big on metadata, Faces is too much for her, all that would really matter is the original import date information (or JPG file date information) which is defined by the folder name the JPG’s reside in. Picture edits have been near nil the entire life of her storing photos so wouldn’t matter - maybe a dozen redeye reductions.
Another hit found this. This guy here may be going too far for me to implement a fix - but reads similar to my problem, even if the cause was different. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3216539?tstart=0 <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3216539?tstart=0> Regards Pete. > On 17 May 2015, at 8:31 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Ronni, See below underlined for responses. > > Regards > > > Pete > > On 16 May 2015, at 6:52 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> In the view menu of Photos be sure that the Sidebar is shown (View > Show >> Sidebar) - iPhoto events have been converted into albums and are in the >> albums sections in a folder named "iPhoto events". >> Can you double-click on a 'greyed box' and see an image? Yes I tried this >> and no images show, the header shows the Album folder name but no images. >> I know you mentioned before you see a white box after you click. >> Can you open any image under Albums in the Side? None of the iPhoto events >> open any images, I tried about 6 or 8 of them at random. >> >> The thumbnails are damaged and Photos doesn't have a specific First Aid >> procedure to Rebuild Thumbnails like iPhoto does. >> >> Something worth doing is - Boot the MBP into Recovery Volume (Command + R >> keys down). Select Disk Utility and 'Repair Disk Permissions' and 'Repair >> Disk'. >> Reboot normally and try Photos again. I tried this and then reboot and open >> Photos - still no joy, all as it was prior. > > I was contemplating a third party photo manger like Picasa or Lyn. I know in > theory the iPhoto and Photos pair of apps is a good thing and cleverly cross > mapped and I am in this pickle due to my own actions, but given the intended > use of the photos for my wife (she doesn't edit, just wants to keep a record > for posterity and have an easy to use program for viewing her pics and > occasional emailing of one or two), the photos are all nicely configured in > Year/Month/Day folders, does it really matter what front end to view them > with? She certainly has no desire to have two photo viewing programs (iPhoto > and Photos) I know that might be defeatist in reaching a point like this, but > I don't want to waste any more of your time given the fairly exhaustive > lengths gone to so far. I haven't done this yet,merely contemplating. >> >> I'll send you 'off-list' a screenshot of my opened Photos showing Albums - >> All Photos -Faces etc FYI. >> >> Cheers, >> Ronni >> >> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >> >> >> On 16 May 2015, at 2:16 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> Ok see below. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On 16 May 2015, at 1:37 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Can you open iPhoto from the Dock with the Option Key held down and see >>>> the dialog window... "Which Photo Library do you want iPhoto to use" >>>> What Libraries show there?... iPhoto Library - if so click 'choose'. Yes, >>>> the iPhoto library shows there (the only choice), when I choose I get the >>>> dialogue back which says "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>> >>>> In the Pictures folder do you have "Aperture Library.aplibrary" >>>> If so what version is it? No, there is no Aperture library in the Pictures >>>> folder. I've not installed Aperture on any of our 5 MBP's. >>>> >>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 May 2015, at 12:28 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, yes I appreciate this is not simple by emails. Responses underlined. >>>>> >>>>> See below. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 11:56 am, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Without knowing exactly what you did and the order in which you did >>>>>> things, fixing this is really hard work not being able to physically >>>>>> check your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have run the Repair Photos library as you've suggested here and it >>>>>>> runs through to 100%. Still same status with no photos showing after >>>>>>> that, old iPhoto events list still showing all greyed out. >>>>>> You Quit Photos.app after it completed the Repair & then relaunched >>>>>> Photos App normally (from the Dock)? Yes, I did this and same result, no >>>>>> photos showing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have iPhoto.app in the Dock? If not place it in the Dock and try >>>>>> this: Yes, I put it back there onto the Dock now. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Launch iPhoto App (from the dock) with COMMAND + OPTION keys held down >>>>>> This will bring up 'iPhoto Library First Aid’ panel >>>>>> 2. Select ‘Repair Permissions’ >>>>>> 3. Click ‘Repair’ >>>>>> Then Quit iPhoto >>>>> >>>>> I tried steps above and iPhoto does not open, I get the dialogue box >>>>> which says "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Launch iPhoto App (from the dock) with COMMAND + OPTION keys held >>>>>> down again >>>>>> 5. Select ‘Repair Database’ >>>>>> 6. Click ‘Repair’ >>>>>> Then Quit iPhoto >>>>> >>>>> Same as above, "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>> >>>>>> See if you can then launch iPhoto normally and see all your photos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Ronni >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 11:09 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ever since the update to OSX, iPhoto hasn't worked - I have just been >>>>>>> presented with the message "Aperture library needs to be upgraded". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe it was the cleaner app which placed the iPhoto library in the >>>>>>> Trash but from over 3 weeks ago I can't recall if that cleaning >>>>>>> operation was before or after doing the OSX update - if I was to guess >>>>>>> I would say I ran the cleaner app after the OSX update. If the cleaning >>>>>>> was run before OSX update (and the iPhoto library was in Trash while >>>>>>> the OSX update ran), perhaps this is the reason. What if I did a trial >>>>>>> and placed the iPhoto library back in Trash (without emptying >>>>>>> naturally) and then tested the operation of iPhoto and Photos? If the >>>>>>> mapping for Photos (with its intelligent cross mapping with iPhoto) was >>>>>>> established with the iPhoto library in Trash, that may account for the >>>>>>> 'broken' front end to back end connection as the locations of the files >>>>>>> in the mapping table is wrong? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have run the Repair Photos library as you've suggested here and it >>>>>>> runs through to 100%. Still same status with no photos showing after >>>>>>> that, old iPhoto events list still showing all greyed out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 9:20 am, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok Peter, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I mentioned previously The file sizes on the two Libraries indicate >>>>>>>> the update/transition has completed... but there is some damage or >>>>>>>> corruption. >>>>>>>> When you noticed the original iPhoto Library was in the Trash and you >>>>>>>> then relocated that library to the correct location in Pictures >>>>>>>> folder... did that iPhoto Library work correctly?... that is “Did it >>>>>>>> show all your Photos, Albums etc? >>>>>>>> I'm trying to find out if the corruption was BEFORE you updated to >>>>>>>> Photos or AFTER. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If it was after I would suggest you try “Repairing the PHOTO Library” >>>>>>>> - Photos Library.photoslibrary >>>>>>>> 1. Hold the COMMAND and OPTION keys down and launch PHOTOS app >>>>>>>> 2. You will receive a dialog window - Click “Repair” >>>>>>>> and see ‘Repairing Library’ and a progress bar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know your results please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 8:52 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A further piece of information on this. If i right mouse on either >>>>>>>>> the iPhoto or Photos libraries and select "Open Package Contents" I >>>>>>>>> can see the contents and the Masters folder which shows the >>>>>>>>> Year/Month/Date hierarchy and in turn the JPG files within the bottom >>>>>>>>> level folder, so they are there! It seems the mapping from the app >>>>>>>>> front end for both iPhoto and Photos to the JPG files is 'broken'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note, I haven't tried to do anything more, just looked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2015, at 7:59 am, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni,yes a typo on my part, see below corrected now with >>>>>>>>>> underline for my input. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15 May 2015, at 11:20 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I might have to take this ‘Offlist’ as I’m not too sure if you are >>>>>>>>>>> giving me the correct information. >>>>>>>>>>> Check what I’ve mentioned below and reply to the list please. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll send you a document ‘Offlist’ showing screenshots of my iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>> Libraries BEFORE & AFTER Update/transition to Photos. >>>>>>>>>>> And the Option Key open Photos App to ‘Choose Library’ FYI >>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Libraries before & After transition to Photos Libraries.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 May 2015, at 5:53 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ronni, I am back home now so feedback now is first-hand off my >>>>>>>>>>>> wife's MBP. Responses to questions inserted below. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pete. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5 May 2015, at 4:44 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify a few things before I suggest anything else. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On your wife’s MBP - In her Pictures Folder there is NOT a >>>>>>>>>>>>> “iPhoto Library.photolibrary” Or "iPhoto Library”? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Pictures folder there is an iPhoto.photolibrary of size >>>>>>>>>>>>> 291.94GB >>>>>>>>>>> Are you SURE iPhoto.photolibrary is correct - or is it iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>> Library.photolibrary of size 291.94GB. Yes it is in fact "iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>> Library.photolibrary". >>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is a Photos Library.photoslibrary of size 292.84GB. >>>>>>>>>>> That looks correct! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hold Down the Option key & keep it down as you click Photos to >>>>>>>>>>>>> open and see the ‘Choose Library' dialog window. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Two options shown. Photos Library and iPhoto Library. >>>>>>>>>>> Are you SURE - or are they named Photos Library.photoslibrary and >>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Library.photolibrary. Yes, it is as you say when holding >>>>>>>>>>> Option whilst clicking Photos there are two listed libraries. >>>>>>>>>>> "Photos Library.photoslibrary" and "iPhoto Library.photolibrary". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If they are named as I mention above- that is correct… that is what >>>>>>>>>>> you should see! >>>>>>>>>>> Select 'Photos Library.photoslibrary' and click Choose Library >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The file sizes on the two Libraries indicate the update/transition >>>>>>>>>>> has completed - you should be able to select ‘Photos >>>>>>>>>>> Library.photoslibrary’ to open Photos with all your previous iPhoto >>>>>>>>>>> photos & albums etc. Yes, I would have thought so too. I selected >>>>>>>>>>> "Photos Library.photoslibrary" and no photos presented. When i >>>>>>>>>>> click the triangle toggle for 'iPhoto Events', all of the Events >>>>>>>>>>> folders dating back to 2004 as they used to present in iPhoto show >>>>>>>>>>> as a greyed out icon beneath the 'iPhoto Events' header (about 200 >>>>>>>>>>> of them). If I select any one of these greyed out event folders, i >>>>>>>>>>> get an empty white panel to the right side. If I select 'All >>>>>>>>>>> Photos', also no photos are shown. The photo images are not shown. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll send you the document in another email to you ‘Offlist’, but >>>>>>>>>>> please post back to the list otherwise it is a consult fee. >>>>>>>>>>> This has taken a lot of time trying to send & receive information >>>>>>>>>>> through a third party is always difficult. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What shows there? Also what shows there if you click “Other >>>>>>>>>>>>> Library”? Takes me to a browser window Pictures to select form >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same two Photos Library and iPhoto Library. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems as thought the transition/import of iPhoto Library has >>>>>>>>>>>>> not fully completed. If it had, the next time you opened the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Photos.app everything would look similar/ but a bit different to >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto.app. I agree i think the two libraries are in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> transitional state. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also if it had, you would have been able to double-click on >>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary and you would see this >>>>>>>>>>>>> message “Your photo library has been migrated to Photos. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>> open it in iPhoto, but any changes such as editing or adding new >>>>>>>>>>>>> photos will not appear in the Photos app” and the 'Open Photos’ >>>>>>>>>>>>> button would be BLUE for you to click. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was the only iPhoto Library backup on the Time Machine >>>>>>>>>>>>> sparsebundle that you deleted? Yes, the only iPhoto library >>>>>>>>>>>>> backup was within the sparesebuydle I blew away, there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>> backup. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer to know there is a backup.... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know the answers to above queries before I perhaps suggest >>>>>>>>>>>>> you try to Repair the Photos Library. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronni >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml >> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml >> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>> > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug> Pete
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