Hi Ronni An update, just for information.
Couldn’t resist getting on with the job. I did a complete restoration from the SuperDuper bootable backup. There was a problem. Very slow on restarting first time after Restore. Not all menu bar app icons had loaded. I allowed a few minutes but no progress. I started a song in iTunes and it worked - for about one minute, then the system crashed. “Your computer was restarted because of a problem”. The problem report of the panic showed BSD process was mds. Comment was “a freed zone element has been modified: expected (x) but found (y) etc”. So probably just a Spotlight indexing issue. I did an SMC reset. Mac now looks ok, menu bar icons ok and iTunes music has been playing ok for last hour. I can now gradually do all the little things before I try for another High Sierra download. Cheers Alan > On 28 Apr 2018, at 8:58 pm, Alan Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Ronni > > I exclude ~/Music from TM backups because there is no need for it. I have > several other copies of my iTunes music, apart from formal SuperDuper > backups. On other devices I try to keep such libraries on an external drive > to keep the actual computer clean and mean. The 2009 Mac iTunes library also > has a changing content of videos copied from my master collection on an > external drive. I keep a selection of favourite videos for those Apple TV > times when I am immobile and the Mac mini is otherwise occupied with Eye TV > recording or processing. I used to get video artefacts from time to time > when the more powerful 27 inch iMac had to do all the work. By the way, most > of my home network is wired ethernet. > > With three computers writing their Time Machine backups to one Time Capsule > drive I found large backups worked but were were often delayed. Time Machine > backups from three computers to the equivalent Netgear router were not > reliably managed at all. I bought the Netgear because the Time Capsule > showed early signs of failure. In practice I run dual backups for each > computer using a local external drive plus the central Time Capsule. I even > run a third TM backup for the main 27 inch iMac to a “network" drive on the > Netgear router. It copes with a single data source without issues. > > The 2009 iMac local external dedicated Time Machine drive is a Firewire 800 > WD My Book Studio. This is quick and easy to use. The SuperDuper backup > shares a partitioned drive with the 27 inch Mac on a Seagate GoFlex drive > that annoys me a bit. It always makes lots of clunky sounds whenever it is > plugged in - possibly clogging up Spotlight with unwanted data! And I’ve > used Time Machine Restore previously and found it quick, quiet and reliable. > And I’ve not made a full Restore using SuperDuper before. > > Why would you re-install the complete os and data, including the iTunes > files, anyway? > > My current thoughts about the problem is that is NOT an endless loop of one > download after another. I think the real download fails very early in the > sequence, but the App Server just keeps pumping out bytes but there is no > “Install” file to write it to. > > Thank you, I received your H.S. Upgrade tutorial and all conditions are > fulfilled or in hand. Must catch up with my real life so will not have so > much time for this simple little task of installing HS for a while. > > And thanks again for keeping me at the task and for your prompt responses. > > Cheers > Alan > > >> On 28 Apr 2018, at 12:39 pm, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Alan, >> >> Why would you exclude your ~/Music folder from TM backups when you wanted to >> use the 2009 iMac to listen to music? >> Why didn’t you do a complete system restore using your SuperDuper! backup >> that has your complete system backed up - that you did just before you >> commenced trying to upgrade the iMac to High Sierra? >> >> 1. I would do a full system restore from the SuperDuper! backup first as it >> has the whole computer system (including ~/Music folder) backed up. >> >> 2.Then if you received my tutorial ‘PREPARE TO UPGRADE TO HIGH SIERRA 10.13 >> I sent to you “OffList” last night. Follow that, before attempting to >> download and install High Sierra! >> >>> The full SuperDuper backup is 142.9 GB. The ~/Music folder is 118.7 GB. >>> Therefore OS and data is 23.2 GB. >> >> My calculation is 24.2GB but it’s not really important. >> >> Cheers, >> Ronni >> >> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >> >> >> On 28 Apr 2018, at 10:34 am, Alan Smith <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ronni >>> >>> The whole system was restored from Time Machine except for the ~/Music >>> folder which is excluded in backup options. >>> >>> The newly restored 2009 iMac with OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks is 23.99 GB. >>> The full SuperDuper backup is 142.9 GB. The ~/Music folder is 118.7 GB. >>> Therefore OS and data is 23.2 GB. >>> >>> How is this so? I have three Macs. >>> >>> The 27 inch late 2012 iMac (High Sierra) is my workhorse. This was bought >>> to replace the 21.5 inch late 2009 iMac (Mavericks) which had an argument >>> with lightning and lost its ethernet port. The “new" computer developed a >>> problem during 2017 - it shuts itself down after being active for around 5 >>> days and requires an SMC reset before restarting. Not very useful for >>> EyeTV recording and AppleTV etc. I eventually took it to the Apple Genius >>> Bar for repair. Not happy about that experience. Suffice to say they >>> didn’t fix it. Hence - - >>> >>> I bought an SSD Mac mini as my media machine. Stays powered on 24/7 for >>> EyeTV recording and processing, and for Apple TV. Most data (movies etc) >>> are on an external high capacity hard drive. Hence - - >>> >>> The 2009 Mavericks machine became my kitchen computer which I use it for >>> Safari, playing music and occasional Zoom video meetings. I only >>> occasionally shut it down even 'tho it is a gas guzzler compared to the >>> later model Macs. >>> >>> Yes, Ronni, I did Restore (almost) the whole system! >>> >>> I will restore the Music folder from the SuperDuper backup. I will check >>> out the computer and prepare it for High Sierra. May take a few days. >>> >>> What is your advice for the next step? Try a new App Store download? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On 28 Apr 2018, at 7:58 am, Ronda Brown <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Alan, >>>> >>>> I asked you to Restore the whole system! It will take much longer than >>>> 20mins. >>>> >>>>>>> Restore the complete contents of your hard drive from the Time Machine >>>>>>> backup you did before you commenced trying to upgrade to High Sierra. >>>>>>> Or Restore from the SuperDuper you did before you commenced trying to >>>>>>> upgrade to High Sierra. >>>> >>>> Time Machine automatically backs up your entire Mac, including system >>>> files, applications, accounts, preferences, email messages, music, photos, >>>> movies, and documents. >>>> >>>> Restore From Time Machine Backup: Restore your Mac from an external hard >>>> drive or Time Capsule that contains a Time Machine backup >>>> <https://support.apple.com/kb/HT201250> of your Mac. >>>> >>>> How to restore your hard drive from a Time Machine backup >>>> Whether you're having major problems with your current hard drive or >>>> upgrading to a new Mac, Time Machine can help you get back to business. >>>> >>>> Power up your Mac and hold down the Command and R keys to enter the macOS >>>> Recovery Partition. Your Mac should boot to a screen that says macOS >>>> Utilities. >>>> Select Restore from Time Machine Backup and click Continue. >>>> Read the info on the Restore Your System page and click Continue. >>>> Select your Time Machine backup and click Continue. >>>> Select the most recent backup of your hard disk and click Continue. >>>> Your Mac will then restore the Time Machine backup; once it's done it will >>>> restart. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ronni >>>> >>>> Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 Apr 2018, at 7:07 am, Alan Smith <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Correction and update! >>>>> >>>>> There is probably no missing data or folders. I forgot that ~/Music is >>>>> excluded from TM backups. Also I don’t use Mail on this iMac so the >>>>> Contacts app would have no cards. Sorry for this. I assume Recovery >>>>> Mode looked at the total history data of Time Machine to calculate the >>>>> remaining restoration time. >>>>> >>>>> I will proceed with normal testing of apps and data - and will wait for >>>>> Ronni’s advice before I attempt a new download of High Sierra. >>>>> >>>>> Alan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 28 Apr 2018, at 6:23 am, Alan Smith <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ronni >>>>>> >>>>>> I did a restore from Time Machine via Recovery mode for data at 25 >>>>>> April, but got a strange outcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> After about 20 minutes with around 15% restore and estimated 2 hours >>>>>> remaining, I got the “Restore Succeeded” window with a “Restart to >>>>>> Continue" banner. This proceeded normally to login and then to prompts >>>>>> similar to a new OS installation. >>>>>> >>>>>> The desktop display looked normal superficially. The Dock showed some >>>>>> apps that had been removed some time ago. The Finder sidebar showed the >>>>>> default options, not my preferences. >>>>>> >>>>>> I opened a few apps. Some seemed OK but Contacts only has 2 cards >>>>>> (Apple inc and Me) and iTunes gave a “no library found” message. The >>>>>> “Music” folder in the Home directory is empty - no iTunes folders! >>>>>> Finder shows 975GB available on the 1TB hard drive. I was expecting >>>>>> around 850GB free. iTunes would probably account for most of the >>>>>> missing data - say 65GB music plus some movies and videos. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not attempted any data recovery or conducted detailed tests of >>>>>> apps. I will wait for your comments before I proceed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 8:13 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Alan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2018, at 6:21 pm, Alan Smith <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It might be best to go back and install the backup you did in >>>>>>>>> Mavericks 10.9.5 before you commenced trying to upgrade to High >>>>>>>>> Sierra. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you mean reinstall the OS via the Recovery utility or a complete >>>>>>>> copy of OS and data from Time Machine (or Super Super)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Restore the complete contents of your hard drive from the Time Machine >>>>>>> backup you did before you commenced trying to upgrade to High Sierra. >>>>>>> Or Restore from the SuperDuper you did before you commenced trying to >>>>>>> upgrade to High Sierra. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The SuperDuper Manual will show you How To Restore from SD Backup. >>>>>>> If you need more details I did a PDF Tutorial for a client some time >>>>>>> back … "How to Restore from a SuperDuper! Backup.pdf” >>>>>>> If you need details how to "Restore the complete contents of your hard >>>>>>> drive from a Time Machine backup” I’ll post details to the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been doing support work since 5:30am this morning, so I’m now >>>>>>> signing off for tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Ronni >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014) >>>>>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz >>>>>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM >>>>>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage >>>>>>> >>>>>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 >>>>>>> >> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- >> Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml >> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml>> >> Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml >> <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml>> >> Settings & Unsubscribe - >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug >> <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>> > > -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- > Archives - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml> > Guidelines - <http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml> > Settings & Unsubscribe - > <http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug>
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