Peter I was initially nervous about ditching Word and Excel; and certainly was 
never going to pay for them. I have found Pages and Numbers to be perfectly 
suitable for the rare occasions I need to open a word or excel file.

I’ve found alternatives to the other 32 bit software that I really needed, and 
realised I never used most of them anyway when they died with Catalina. 

I know I’m an early adopter and enthusiastically embrace the next big new 
thing. Then troubleshoot my way around whatever that rash decision has 
presented. 

I know that’s not for everyone 

Regards
Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 29 Apr 2020, at 5:38 pm, Ronni Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Like you Peter, I’m keeping both my Mac computers running High Sierra and I 
> see no reason for me to upgrade at this time.
> High Sierra is a very secure and stable OS.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni 
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
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>>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 5:20 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>> Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in reading 
>> through the link, I can see no reason for me to update to Catalina yet - if 
>> ever. Currently I have an old (but still functioning) MS Office for Mac 2011 
>> which is useful for whenever I do have an Office file, but I don't use it 
>> often and have alternatives with my Work Windows laptop. The removal of 
>> iTunes. I didn't explore that but it seems pretty large in impact. 
>> Presumably there are precautions to take. But for the moment, with my 
>> perfectly functioning Macbook Pro 2013 running High Sierra, it is all good. 
>> 
>> All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I have 
>> an OSX update I 'should' do. 
>> 
>> Will look into the iTunes things some time. 
>> 
>> I also think there is no longer available a localized installation for 
>> Office 2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant funding model 
>> the software developers want us to use with annual fees - Office 365 as an 
>> example. I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in any one year. It really 
>> doesn't make sense to fund an annual subscription for one machine when I 
>> have alternatives. I know my case is unique to me and others will be solely 
>> reliant on their Mac's, so then it is justifiable for them. 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> [email protected]
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>> To:
>> <[email protected]>
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800
>> Subject:
>> Re: Horrible Catalina
>> 
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>> Hi Pat,
>> 
>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update
>> 
>> ‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina, was released earlier this week, 
>> and with it came a flurry of complications both minor and major. 
>> For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit application 
>> support, which is causing all sorts of headaches for users of smaller apps, 
>> plug-ins, and other software that may not be updated for quite some time or 
>> may have been created by a company that no longer exists. There are also a 
>> fair number of other issues with Catalina, like Adobe software 
>> incompatibility problems and unforeseen hurdles related to the removal of 
>> iTunes. 
>> That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who may be at 
>> risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina. What exactly might 
>> go wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now, and what should you do 
>> before pulling the trigger?
>>  Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to do that 
>> and also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people on the 
>> WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late. Your note 
>> comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific about the 
>> issues you;re having?  I am holding off doing my update to Catalina simply 
>> because I hadn't had the time to research if the early issues had been 
>> resolved or not. Do others have any first hand user experience about it's 
>> use and issues they have had. 
>> 
>> Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this time?
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Crisp 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> To:
>> "wamuG Mailing List" <[email protected]>
>> Cc:
>> 
>> Sent:
>> Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:55:57 +1000
>> Subject:
>> Horrible Catalina
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, WAMUGgers, I moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer didn’t 
>> catch up with me for several of those months. When I finally cranked it up 
>> and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it 
>> is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To put 
>> it in straight words: I Hate Catalina. There are so many horrible changes; 
>> what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that 
>> doesn’t warrant the infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers.
>> 
>> Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded? Soon? And does 
>> anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? 
>> 
>> I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times.
>> 
>> Stay safe and warm,
>> Pat Scott
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