Yes, thanks Neil, spot on it comes down to what suits the user. My dear departed Dad was a strong Office 365 proponent too but he was exclusively using his Mac and for the reasons you mention, it suited his lifestyle well too.
Kind Regards Peter Crisp ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To:"[email protected]" Cc: Sent:Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:05:38 +0800 Subject:Re: Horrible Catalina Hi Peter, I must admit that, like you, I stayed away from subscription software until very recently – I just wanted a one-off purchase that I could use until it either stopped working or a new version had a “must-have” feature – and I think Apple introducing Time Machine was the last time I thought a new feature was must-have ;o) However when I recently, finally, moved up from Snow Leopard I had to say goodbye to Office 2004! After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I finally bit the bullet and went to Office 365 and, I must admit, I am actually glad I did – although I do renew every year by buying Office 365 from Officeworks (and just applying this to my existing account) which is always cheaper than MS auto-renew price. I guess there are a few factors for me: * I use a LOT of Excel spreadsheets/workbooks and I really want/need to stick with Excel rather than any spreadsheet alternative. * Georgina is on the Albany Hospice board and still has to collaboratively deal with Word documents. * One subscription covers both Georgina and myself and we each get our 1TB OneDrive storage included * With just one subscription, It all integrates well between several computers, iPads etc * I don’t have to worry about whether I need to buy new updates – they are included with the subscription * Being retired, we no longer have work computer(s) as an alternative I realise that is just what suits me and that your situation is different, particularly if you rarely use Office programs, but I just thought I’d relay my experience. Cheers Neil FROM: on behalf of Peter Crisp REPLY-TO: DATE: Wednesday, 29 April 2020 at 17:22 TO: SUBJECT: Re: Horrible Catalina Righto, thanks for that link Ronni. For a number of reasons in reading through the link, I can see no reason for me to update to Catalina yet - if ever. Currently I have an old (but still functioning) MS Office for Mac 2011 which is useful for whenever I do have an Office file, but I don't use it often and have alternatives with my Work Windows laptop. The removal of iTunes. I didn't explore that but it seems pretty large in impact. Presumably there are precautions to take. But for the moment, with my perfectly functioning Macbook Pro 2013 running High Sierra, it is all good. All I have to remind me is a constant red dot over App store saying I have an OSX update I 'should' do. Will look into the iTunes things some time. I also think there is no longer available a localized installation for Office 2016 or later and we now have to resort to the constant funding model the software developers want us to use with annual fees - Office 365 as an example. I may use Word or Excel up to 5 times in any one year. It really doesn't make sense to fund an annual subscription for one machine when I have alternatives. I know my case is unique to me and others will be solely reliant on their Mac's, so then it is justifiable for them. Kind Regards Peter Crisp ----- Original Message ----- FROM: [email protected] TO: CC: SENT: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:51:02 +0800 SUBJECT: Re: Horrible Catalina Hi Pat, https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update [1] ‘Apple’s latest Mac update, macOS Catalina [2], was released earlier this week, and with it came a flurry of complications both minor and major. For one, this update is the first for Apple to drop 32-bit application support, which is causing all sorts of headaches for users of smaller apps, plug-ins, and other software that may not be updated for quite some time or may have been created by a company that no longer exists. There are also a fair number of other issues with Catalina, like Adobe software incompatibility problems and unforeseen hurdles related to the removal of iTunes. That leads us to a series of important questions for Mac users who may be at risk of having important workflows disrupted by Catalina. What exactly might go wrong if you do upgrade? Should you upgrade now, and what should you do before pulling the trigger? Or should you hold off for now, and if so, what’s the best way to do that and also monitor when it might be safe to make the jump?’ Kind Regards, Ronni Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB On 29 Apr 2020, at 4:42 pm, Peter Crisp wrote: Hi Pat, sorry to hear this. I had heard of some troubles from people on the WAMUG upon the initial release of Catalina but nothing of late. Your note comes out of the blue for WAMUG I think. Can you be specific about the issues you;re having? I am holding off doing my update to Catalina simply because I hadn't had the time to research if the early issues had been resolved or not. Do others have any first hand user experience about it's use and issues they have had. Is there anyone else recommending to NOT install Catalina at this time? Kind Regards Peter Crisp ----- Original Message ----- FROM: [email protected] TO: "wamuG Mailing List" CC: SENT: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:55:57 +1000 SUBJECT: Horrible Catalina Hello, WAMUGgers, I moved over to Brisbane,4 months ago. My computer didn’t catch up with me for several of those months. When I finally cranked it up and pushed the Start button, there was Catalina. Well, I thought, I hope it is as good as its predecessor. But, I was in for shock after shock. To put it in straight words: I Hate Catalina. There are so many horrible changes; what has Apple been thinking? I read about the Mac virus problem, but that doesn’t warrant the infliction of Catalina on unsuspecting computers. Anyway, does anyone know if Catallina will be superceded? Soon? And does anyone know if there is anything like WAMUG in Brisbane? I wish good health for all of you in these treacherous times. Stay safe and warm, Pat Scott -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe - -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe - -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - Guidelines - Settings & Unsubscribe - Links: ------ [1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20908567/apple-macos-catalina-breaking-apps-32-bit-support-how-to-prepare-avoid-update [2] https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/7/20902020/macos-catalina-review-apple-music-podcasts-catalyst-ipad-apps
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