Thanks, Scott. Nice to know I remembered at least part of it correctly. And always good to learn new things. Not enough to make me go back to 98 but still good to know. I'll keep fumbling through on Linux for the foreseeable future.
So that would make the freezing problem most likely a result of the "home edition" nature of windows 98. Most likely manifesting itself in terms of resource limitations? Which is to say the 'cure' is to not open as many high usage programs and reboot when stuck. Would be interesting to do a performance analysis and some tuning but that isn't the easiest thing to do with windows. andy -----Original Message----- From: Scott [mailto:fastdslscott@;yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Programs won't close Andy :: Your are correct in saying it is not a limit, but there once was a published M$ EOM Reseller Program "Tech-Doc" that stated ... more than 196Mb of Memory would not achieve an increase level of performance due to the limitations of the Win95 platform; and furthermore that in Win98 release 1 - that more than 196Mb could cause decreased performance on that platform with most Appz. Now, Win98SE was supposed to fix this issue (decrease of performance); the company that I worked for as a Network Architect/Engineer issued a memo detailing the 196Mb Memory Limitations in win 95/98 OS machines. The document was printed directly off the M$ OEM Reseller Program web site. I am still a M$ OEM Authorized Reseller, but I have been unable to locate that Tech-Doc on their OEM site. The document additionally stated that, systems needing more than 196-256 Mb of memory should be on the NT platform. A lot of companies used (and still do) use a "HOME-USER" designed platform (win9x/ME/XP Home Edition) as the OS for employees ... again this platform was (and still is) designed for the casual home user in mind, not to be used for business level workstations. I personally cannot understand why (except for price) why anyone in a business/programer/design environment would use a "HOME" version OS ... [I know I will probably get a ton of disagreement, but side-by-side the NT platform out performs the home versions in every way possible ... hands down) ... I still have clients that use win9x/ME/XP Home; they have all kinds of issues from FAT32 errors, corrupted system files, applications conflicts, bad or inccorect drivers that occur out of thin air - on the other hand ... my clients on the NT platform are usually (there are always M$ problems) problem free with NO or little down-time experianced running some really aggressive appz; like AVID, MAYA, 3DMAX, LIGHTWAVE, AUTO-CAD, VisualBasic Enterprises, and JAVA/C/C++ compliers. So, personally I believe that indiviuals using their PC's for business uses shouldn't use anything else ... Well, I have said my piece ... but, OS vs. Hardware relationships are a mystery themselves. PC repair is not a science, nor will it ever be. You take your car in to the mechanic because it doesn't run right. Well, if he is good, he is still only guessing at what the problem is. If he is good, then you have a better chance he will get it right the first time, but that is still no guarantee; the same with PC's. You can build 100 with all identical hardware and OS's, installed in the same manner, same time and they will all react differently from each other .... Scott --- Scott Abbotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would still maintain that you could load Win98 on a new, FAT32 system > with plenty of CPU and bus speed, and the additional memory would help > considerably. You can always manage the swap file yourself.. I would > bet that this memory issue is directly related to the hardware > configuration of the system. > > Any documentation on this, Andy? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trusz, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Trusz@;ssa.gov] > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 7:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Programs won't close > > > Scott, it's not a limit. Win98 works most efficiently with 196 or less. > Additional memory provides a decreasing rate of return. It won't hurt to > go to 512; it just won't help as much as you think. As I recall it has > to do with the manner in which win98 manages memory. After 196 it gets > "muscle > bound": big, maybe impressive but not terribly usable. > > andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Abbotts [mailto:sabbotts@;bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Programs won't close > > > I've never heard of this 196mb limit other than on this forum. I've > just searched web for information on this, and I conclude that it is > probably a myth. Someone please prove me wrong. > > It would not be the OS that limits physical memory, only the virtual > memory if you set it manually. Physical memory and cache constraints > would more likely be related to the motherboard or CPU. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheryl D. Wise [mailto:cdwise@;wiserways.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: Programs won't close > > > Jan, > > The 196 limit is for Windows 98. I'm running a gig on my primary desktop > and 386 on my laptop. I wouldn't run XP with less than 256 if I had a > choice. (My partner's laptop unfortunately won't go up to that without > removing and replacing all existing ram so he's waiting for the next > upgrade cycle- soon). > > Cheryl D. Wise > WiserWays > Office: 713.353.0139 > Mobile: 713.412.0406 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Major > > > > Someone on this list told me to not go over 196MB because he said there > wouldn't be much difference after that. The maximum I can have with > this computer is 256MB, and have been seriously thinking about > installing more memory up to that amount. If it helps, all the better. > > > ____ . 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