That's a handy thought Norma,

I'll contact them see what develops.   This outfit is ripping of f so many
people it does need to be stopped.   I would think the US D of Justice hs
the resorces to follow through.

Joseph

From: Brewnetty (AuntySpam) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I read some news this week about a whole site dedicated to theft of
copyrighted material. The U.S. Department of Justice
> seized the site, but I don't know what more is being done or can be done.
> I also thought that material you dated and added the &copy; symbol to was
protected without filing any papers.
>
> AuntySpam
> (Norma) http://www.geocities.com/brewnetty/
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>   http://brewnetty.0catch.com
>     http://www.getrealresults.com
> Don't be afraid of living ~the alternative is too final.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:53 AM
> Subject: [wdvltalk] Copyright was content theft and strange page
>
>
> Jan,
>
> I am really sorry that you are suffering the loss of at least one very
> original page;  is it the coding that you are seeking copyright for?
>
> I actually don't understand the US idea of registering copyright.   So far
> as I  know in the UK it is enough to have committed something to paper for
> it to be one's copyright.   I had understood that on the web copyright was
> instantaneous too.    That only where copyright was specifically offered
> freely was there any right to copy.
>
> It used to be here that such material (before the web) *had* to have a
> copyright symbol with date and owner of the copyright and that copyright
had
> a life of (either 50years or a period after the writers death).   Some
years
> ago that protection was increased to 70 years after the writers death,
> though I suspect that was to protect the interests of big business that
had
> copyrights 'bought' from the copyright owner -like film producers and
> publishers of successful works.
>
> In the case of my problem (and I think others should check their most
> successful keywords). I am happy with my ownership of the copyright.
There
> are two big issues to my mind.    One is the reliability and good name of
> the Search Engines.
>
> The second is the question:  why take so much trouble to cloak the
> information as to who is doing the stealing.   I think it is everyone's
> concern.   It may may an entirely new wheeze (oh, is that a UK
> colloquialism?  it means idea or scam), that can be nipped in the bud.
>
> It may have only just started.   When I first raised it on the list the
> links went to a blank page.   Now that page appears to be acting like a
> fully paid for search engine and I have seen two entries, one of them
Ebay -
> which is neither small nor ignorant of the ways of the web.   It could
harm
> their name too.   Either they are paying someone to do this and can point
> the finger, or they too are being used to show the 'quality' of what is on
> this 'search engine'.
>
> Clearly it is trickery to steal anything from anywhere else for any
> advantage whatsoever;  in this case I reckon that they see apotential and
> will do this stealing more and more to more and more people's copyright
> material.   I think it is a matter of major concern to the list.
>
> The big problem is that it seems impossible to find out who is doing this.
> And it seems very difficult to approach the Search Engines.   As I wrote
to
> Michael I am still waiting for replies from the bigger engines.   It is
they
> who have the most to lose but they don't seem to like swimming with the
> minnows!
>
> Joseph
>
> From: Jan Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Yes, I see that on Yahoo too, a link to see "similar pages, etc."
> >
> > I understand now that it's not just your domain name, but the
> > content on the pages.  My page was reproduced "word for word",
> > "code for code", exactly as my page.  It looked like they just
> > copied my page and with very little change, placed it on their website.
> >
> > That's what happened to me too, but my copyright is pending right
> > now, so instead of contacting these other web sites about their
> > "copyright infringement" (according to the Copyright department,
> > your work is automatically copyrighted but not protected unless
> > one gets an actual copyright on it.), feeling sick of the fact
> > that the page I worked so hard to compose it just right, was
> > stolen, I just changed my pages.
> >
> > Why couldn't you also file an "infringement of copyright" with
> > the Copyright Department, probably through a lawyer, and
> > attach printed copies of each page that has your content.
> > At least that is what I suppose one would do to "get them for
> > theft".
> >
> > I'm really sorry you are experiencing this, but at the same
> > time, I am too, and I'm sure there are many, many others out
> > there having their web pages stolen.
> >
> > I really don't know how the search engines can help you with
> > your present theft problem, but please keep me and the list
> > informed.
> >
> > Jan
> > ---
>
>
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