> > Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> escreveu: > > >> Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> a écrit : >> >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in >> the circle” and those outside. > > For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. > >> If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is >> Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but >> that’s ok. > > It’s just that every year, in the answers in the surveys, I still people > asking for something from Apple. Even if we said many times that Apple > management don’t give a damn.
> >> Mark, I’m glad you love WO. >> >> For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is alluding >> to: >> >> Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared to >> their other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would mean >> nothing compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many developers are >> there in the world? Compare that to consumers. >> >> Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the server. >> It would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). >> >> If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace up >> their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues crop up. >> “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use of >> Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open sourcing >> WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no monetary gain. >> >> The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even then… >> it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal trouble of >> figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. > > And since a major group (iTunes) use it, not going to happen. But we could > open source it, by rewriting it and by replacing some stuff by alternatives. Yes, I strongly agree with Pascal, it's the only(and good) option for future. > >> I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the world >> but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the inside to make >> it happen: >> >> 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and Disney let >> it be open source: >> http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html >> >> 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a commercial >> product for a while: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language > > Both happened in the 90s. > >> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike >> e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 >> >> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by >>> talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that >>> Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even >>> stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>>> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org> a écrit : >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list today. >>>> >>>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, >>>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. >>>> >>>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t their >>>> focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the server side >>>> answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just about to deploy our >>>> first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient clinics, linking to our >>>> WebObjects applications handling all of the complex business logic that we >>>> need in healthcare. We’ve achieved this on a shoestring and it’s due to >>>> the great design - seen in WebObjects and of course, by logical extension >>>> in the related frameworks inherited from NeXT in modern Apple operating >>>> systems. >>>> >>>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - in >>>> my outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous difference to how >>>> we provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good fit for iOS devices I >>>> just cannot believe that Apple does not want to support such a great and >>>> productive technology. >>>> >>>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and we are >>>> getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is just a >>>> shame Apple seems to have given up on it. >>>> >>>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping he’ll >>>> take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology this is and >>>> how it can be a great product for both large and small enterprises, can >>>> form part of a great technology stack and support iOS, and as such, >>>> re-incarnate WebObjects - the technology we love! Mr Cook - could Apple >>>> un-deprecate this technology please? It is really rather good! >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Mark Wardle >>>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK >>>> Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org Twitter: @mwardle >>>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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