Sounds great to me! Here is your laptop, dev tools and apple hosted OS X VM. Well one can dream.
Have a nice weekend! > On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: > > Like Chuck, Apple got out of that business (real server software, XServe, > WO). If they are going to offer something on the server-side, it will > probably be a Apple-hosted solution that they will control. > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > >> Le 2014-03-07 à 21:31, Jonathan Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> a écrit : >> >> It's all about iPhone and iPad sales and one of the things that makes >> Apple's devices the best is the quantity and quality of the applications in >> the platform. And the application server is an essential component to many >> iOS and Mac applications with the prime example being iTunes. >> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>> >>> Le 2014-03-07 à 21:05, Jonathan Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> a écrit : >>> >>>> I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this >>>> discussion but here goes nothing... >>>> >>>> Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? >>> >>> They make money by selling laptops to developers and by taking 30% of >>> revenues in the app stores. >>> >>>> It seems to me that WO is another tool that Apple could support that >>>> enables developers to make great applications for their platform. After >>>> all, the application server is an important component to many if not most >>>> iOS apps. >>>> >>>> my 2 cents... >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Nilton Lessa <nle...@molequedeideias.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> escreveu: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >> Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> a écrit : >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those >>>>> >> “in the circle” and those outside. >>>>> > >>>>> > For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. >>>>> > >>>>> >> If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it >>>>> >> is Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears >>>>> >> but that’s ok. >>>>> > >>>>> > It’s just that every year, in the answers in the surveys, I still >>>>> > people asking for something from Apple. Even if we said many times that >>>>> > Apple management don’t give a damn. >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >> Mark, I’m glad you love WO. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is >>>>> >> alluding to: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared >>>>> >> to their other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would >>>>> >> mean nothing compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many >>>>> >> developers are there in the world? Compare that to consumers. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the >>>>> >> server. It would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). >>>>> >> >>>>> >> If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace >>>>> >> up their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues >>>>> >> crop up. “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use >>>>> >> of Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open >>>>> >> sourcing WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no >>>>> >> monetary gain. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even >>>>> >> then… it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal >>>>> >> trouble of figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. >>>>> > >>>>> > And since a major group (iTunes) use it, not going to happen. But we >>>>> > could open source it, by rewriting it and by replacing some stuff by >>>>> > alternatives. >>>>> Yes, I strongly agree with Pascal, it's the only(and good) option for >>>>> future. >>>>> > >>>>> >> I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the >>>>> >> world but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the >>>>> >> inside to make it happen: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and >>>>> >> Disney let it be open source: >>>>> >> http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html >>>>> >> >>>>> >> 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a >>>>> >> commercial product for a while: >>>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language >>>>> > >>>>> > Both happened in the 90s. >>>>> > >>>>> >> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike >>>>> >> e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by >>>>> >>> talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking >>>>> >>> that Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. >>>>> >>> They even stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org> a écrit : >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list >>>>> >>>> today. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, >>>>> >>>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t >>>>> >>>> their focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the >>>>> >>>> server side answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just >>>>> >>>> about to deploy our first iOS apps running on iPads in our >>>>> >>>> outpatient clinics, linking to our WebObjects applications handling >>>>> >>>> all of the complex business logic that we need in healthcare. We’ve >>>>> >>>> achieved this on a shoestring and it’s due to the great design - >>>>> >>>> seen in WebObjects and of course, by logical extension in the >>>>> >>>> related frameworks inherited from NeXT in modern Apple operating >>>>> >>>> systems. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise >>>>> >>>> - in my outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous >>>>> >>>> difference to how we provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good >>>>> >>>> fit for iOS devices I just cannot believe that Apple does not want >>>>> >>>> to support such a great and productive technology. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and >>>>> >>>> we are getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It >>>>> >>>> is just a shame Apple seems to have given up on it. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping >>>>> >>>> he’ll take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology >>>>> >>>> this is and how it can be a great product for both large and small >>>>> >>>> enterprises, can form part of a great technology stack and support >>>>> >>>> iOS, and as such, re-incarnate WebObjects - the technology we love! >>>>> >>>> Mr Cook - could Apple un-deprecate this technology please? It is >>>>> >>>> really rather good! >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Mark >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>>> >>>> Dr. Mark Wardle >>>>> >>>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK >>>>> >>>> Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org Twitter: @mwardle >>>>> >>>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>> >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> This email sent to prob...@macti.ca >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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