Precisely what I was trying to express, just done much for elegantly. Too many years in management. I guess my "code factoring" skills are rusty.
Thanks for saying it so clearly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992-6666 FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:04 PM, Jonathan Miller wrote: > I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion > but here goes nothing... > > Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? It seems to me that WO is > another tool that Apple could support that enables developers to make great > applications for their platform. After all, the application server is an > important component to many if not most iOS apps. > > my 2 cents... > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Nilton Lessa <nle...@molequedeideias.net> > wrote: > > > > Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> escreveu: > > > > > >> Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> a écrit : > >> > >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in > >> the circle” and those outside. > > > > For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. > > > >> If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is > >> Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but > >> that’s ok. > > > > It’s just that every year, in the answers in the surveys, I still people > > asking for something from Apple. Even if we said many times that Apple > > management don’t give a damn. > > > > >> Mark, I’m glad you love WO. > >> > >> For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is alluding > >> to: > >> > >> Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared to > >> their other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would mean > >> nothing compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many developers are > >> there in the world? Compare that to consumers. > >> > >> Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the server. > >> It would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). > >> > >> If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace up > >> their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues crop > >> up. “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use of > >> Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open > >> sourcing WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no monetary > >> gain. > >> > >> The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even > >> then… it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal > >> trouble of figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. > > > > And since a major group (iTunes) use it, not going to happen. But we could > > open source it, by rewriting it and by replacing some stuff by alternatives. > Yes, I strongly agree with Pascal, it's the only(and good) option for future. > > > >> I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the > >> world but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the inside > >> to make it happen: > >> > >> 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and Disney > >> let it be open source: > >> http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html > >> > >> 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a commercial > >> product for a while: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language > > > > Both happened in the 90s. > > > >> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike > >> e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: > >>> > >>> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by > >>> talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking that > >>> Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They even > >>> stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. > >>> > >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone > >>> > >>>> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org> a écrit : > >>>> > >>>> Hi all. > >>>> > >>>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list > >>>> today. > >>>> > >>>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, > >>>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. > >>>> > >>>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t > >>>> their focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the > >>>> server side answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just about > >>>> to deploy our first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient clinics, > >>>> linking to our WebObjects applications handling all of the complex > >>>> business logic that we need in healthcare. We’ve achieved this on a > >>>> shoestring and it’s due to the great design - seen in WebObjects and of > >>>> course, by logical extension in the related frameworks inherited from > >>>> NeXT in modern Apple operating systems. > >>>> > >>>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - in > >>>> my outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous difference to > >>>> how we provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good fit for iOS devices > >>>> I just cannot believe that Apple does not want to support such a great > >>>> and productive technology. > >>>> > >>>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and we > >>>> are getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is just > >>>> a shame Apple seems to have given up on it. > >>>> > >>>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping > >>>> he’ll take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology this > >>>> is and how it can be a great product for both large and small > >>>> enterprises, can form part of a great technology stack and support iOS, > >>>> and as such, re-incarnate WebObjects - the technology we love! Mr Cook - > >>>> could Apple un-deprecate this technology please? It is really rather > >>>> good! > >>>> > >>>> Best wishes, > >>>> > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dr. Mark Wardle > >>>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK > >>>> Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org Twitter: @mwardle > >>>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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