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> Le 2014-03-07 à 21:05, Jonathan Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> a écrit : > > I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion > but here goes nothing... > > Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? They make money by selling laptops to developers and by taking 30% of revenues in the app stores. > It seems to me that WO is another tool that Apple could support that enables > developers to make great applications for their platform. After all, the > application server is an important component to many if not most iOS apps. > > my 2 cents... > > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Nilton Lessa <nle...@molequedeideias.net> >> wrote: >> > >> > Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> escreveu: >> > >> > >> >> Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> a écrit : >> >> >> >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those “in >> >> the circle” and those outside. >> > >> > For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. >> > >> >> If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it is >> >> Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears but >> >> that’s ok. >> > >> > It’s just that every year, in the answers in the surveys, I still people >> > asking for something from Apple. Even if we said many times that Apple >> > management don’t give a damn. >> >> > >> >> Mark, I’m glad you love WO. >> >> >> >> For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is >> >> alluding to: >> >> >> >> Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared to >> >> their other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would mean >> >> nothing compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many developers are >> >> there in the world? Compare that to consumers. >> >> >> >> Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the >> >> server. It would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). >> >> >> >> If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace up >> >> their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues crop >> >> up. “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use of >> >> Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open >> >> sourcing WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no monetary >> >> gain. >> >> >> >> The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even >> >> then… it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal >> >> trouble of figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. >> > >> > And since a major group (iTunes) use it, not going to happen. But we could >> > open source it, by rewriting it and by replacing some stuff by >> > alternatives. >> Yes, I strongly agree with Pascal, it's the only(and good) option for future. >> > >> >> I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the >> >> world but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the inside >> >> to make it happen: >> >> >> >> 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and Disney >> >> let it be open source: >> >> http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html >> >> >> >> 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a commercial >> >> product for a while: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language >> > >> > Both happened in the 90s. >> > >> >> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike >> >> e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by >> >>> talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking >> >>> that Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. They >> >>> even stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. >> >>> >> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >>> >> >>>> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org> a écrit : >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi all. >> >>>> >> >>>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list >> >>>> today. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, >> >>>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t >> >>>> their focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the >> >>>> server side answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just about >> >>>> to deploy our first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient >> >>>> clinics, linking to our WebObjects applications handling all of the >> >>>> complex business logic that we need in healthcare. We’ve achieved this >> >>>> on a shoestring and it’s due to the great design - seen in WebObjects >> >>>> and of course, by logical extension in the related frameworks inherited >> >>>> from NeXT in modern Apple operating systems. >> >>>> >> >>>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - >> >>>> in my outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous difference >> >>>> to how we provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good fit for iOS >> >>>> devices I just cannot believe that Apple does not want to support such >> >>>> a great and productive technology. >> >>>> >> >>>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and we >> >>>> are getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is just >> >>>> a shame Apple seems to have given up on it. >> >>>> >> >>>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping >> >>>> he’ll take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology this >> >>>> is and how it can be a great product for both large and small >> >>>> enterprises, can form part of a great technology stack and support iOS, >> >>>> and as such, re-incarnate WebObjects - the technology we love! Mr Cook >> >>>> - could Apple un-deprecate this technology please? It is really rather >> >>>> good! >> >>>> >> >>>> Best wishes, >> >>>> >> >>>> Mark >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Dr. Mark Wardle >> >>>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK >> >>>> Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org Twitter: @mwardle >> >>>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca >> >>>> >> >>>> This email sent to prob...@macti.ca >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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