Does that make Google dumb? https://cloud.google.com/developers/articles/how-to-build-mobile-app-with-app-engine-backend-tutorial
Sent from my iPad > On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@global-village.net> wrote: > > Unlike iOS and OS X, Apple does not own the server platform. Communication > is via standard protocols. And Apple is no longer in the server market. > Bringing back WO as a product is NOT going to sell more iPhones. It is NOT > going to make more money for Apple. Making a really good SDK and > development tool for iOS IS going to sell more iPhones. Apple may not do > what you want, but they are smart! They know a winning business model when > they see one. Unfortunately for those who appreciate it, WO just never had a > winning business model. Deal with it. > > Chuck > > > On 2014-03-07, 6:30 PM, "Jonathan Miller" wrote: > > It's all about iPhone and iPad sales and one of the things that makes Apple's > devices the best is the quantity and quality of the applications in the > platform. And the application server is an essential component to many iOS > and Mac applications with the prime example being iTunes. > > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >> >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> Le 2014-03-07 à 21:05, Jonathan Miller <jlmil...@kahalawai.com> a écrit : >> >>> I know you guys are right and I loathe to involve myself in this discussion >>> but here goes nothing... >>> >>> Does Apple make a lot of money selling XCode? >> >> They make money by selling laptops to developers and by taking 30% of >> revenues in the app stores. >> >>> It seems to me that WO is another tool that Apple could support that >>> enables developers to make great applications for their platform. After >>> all, the application server is an important component to many if not most >>> iOS apps. >>> >>> my 2 cents... >>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Nilton Lessa <nle...@molequedeideias.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Em 07/03/2014, às 21:46, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> escreveu: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Le 2014-03-07 à 19:21, Aaron Rosenzweig <aa...@chatnbike.com> a écrit : >>>> >> >>>> >> Am I right or what? WO is an elite “gentleman’s club” There are those >>>> >> “in the circle” and those outside. >>>> > >>>> > For the record, I’m not the one who contacted a senior VP. >>>> > >>>> >> If Mark wants to send a note of praise to someone, why not? Even if it >>>> >> is Tim Cook. Will anything bad come of that? It may fall on deaf ears >>>> >> but that’s ok. >>>> > >>>> > It’s just that every year, in the answers in the surveys, I still people >>>> > asking for something from Apple. Even if we said many times that Apple >>>> > management don’t give a damn. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >> Mark, I’m glad you love WO. >>>> >> >>>> >> For those who may wonder, I’ll summarize what I believe Pascal is >>>> >> alluding to: >>>> >> >>>> >> Even if WO sold very well, “well” would be a relative term. Compared to >>>> >> their other product lines, a good line of sales related to WO would >>>> >> mean nothing compared to Apple’s other product lines. How many >>>> >> developers are there in the world? Compare that to consumers. >>>> >> >>>> >> Apple does not need to make other programmer’s lives easier on the >>>> >> server. It would be nice but there is no need (for Apple). >>>> >> >>>> >> If Apple were to open source WO, it may mean they have less of an ace >>>> >> up their sleeve in negotiations with other companies when legal issues >>>> >> crop up. “You want to sue me for this? then I’ll sue you for your use >>>> >> of Key-Value-Coding so why don’t we just not sue each other ok?” Open >>>> >> sourcing WO could weaken Apple’s stance in legal battles for no >>>> >> monetary gain. >>>> >> >>>> >> The ONLY way to open source WO would be to buy it from Apple… but even >>>> >> then… it would have to be a lot of money to make it worth the legal >>>> >> trouble of figuring out if that is a good financial deal for Apple. >>>> > >>>> > And since a major group (iTunes) use it, not going to happen. But we >>>> > could open source it, by rewriting it and by replacing some stuff by >>>> > alternatives. >>>> Yes, I strongly agree with Pascal, it's the only(and good) option for >>>> future. >>>> > >>>> >> I can think of a few cases where Apple technology was freed up to the >>>> >> world but in both of those cases they had strong supporters on the >>>> >> inside to make it happen: >>>> >> >>>> >> 1. Apple released it’s Smalltalk and core team to Walt Disney and >>>> >> Disney let it be open source: >>>> >> http://ftp.squeak.org/docs/OOPSLA.Squeak.html >>>> >> >>>> >> 2. Apple Newton’s “Dylan” language was released and became a commercial >>>> >> product for a while: >>>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language >>>> > >>>> > Both happened in the 90s. >>>> > >>>> >> AARON ROSENZWEIG / Chat 'n Bike >>>> >> e: aa...@chatnbike.com t: (301) 956-2319 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Pascal Robert <prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Please please please... Someone went as far as asking for support by >>>> >>> talking to an Apple Senior VP, and the answer was: NO! Stop thinking >>>> >>> that Apple will help us after 5 years without any help from Apple. >>>> >>> They even stopped contributing to Wonder 3 years ago. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Le 2014-03-07 à 17:59, Mark Wardle <m...@wardle.org> a écrit : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is sad to hear the despondency permeating through the email list >>>> >>>> today. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think many of us have achieved so much with this technology stack, >>>> >>>> solutions that would be much more difficult with other technologies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think Apple is missing a trick here. Perhaps I am naive but isn’t >>>> >>>> their focus on vertical integration? WebObjects is and could be the >>>> >>>> server side answer for iOS in the enterprise. For me, we’re just >>>> >>>> about to deploy our first iOS apps running on iPads in our outpatient >>>> >>>> clinics, linking to our WebObjects applications handling all of the >>>> >>>> complex business logic that we need in healthcare. We’ve achieved >>>> >>>> this on a shoestring and it’s due to the great design - seen in >>>> >>>> WebObjects and of course, by logical extension in the related >>>> >>>> frameworks inherited from NeXT in modern Apple operating systems. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Personally, I want Apple stuff in the enterprise - in my enterprise - >>>> >>>> in my outpatient clinic. I think it would make a tremendous >>>> >>>> difference to how we provide healthcare. WebObjects is such a good >>>> >>>> fit for iOS devices I just cannot believe that Apple does not want to >>>> >>>> support such a great and productive technology. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Whatever the case, my WebObjects applications are still running and >>>> >>>> we are getting more and more users here in this part of the UK! It is >>>> >>>> just a shame Apple seems to have given up on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’ve copied in Tim Cook to this. At the back of my mind, I’m hoping >>>> >>>> he’ll take an interest, realise overnight what a great technology >>>> >>>> this is and how it can be a great product for both large and small >>>> >>>> enterprises, can form part of a great technology stack and support >>>> >>>> iOS, and as such, re-incarnate WebObjects - the technology we love! >>>> >>>> Mr Cook - could Apple un-deprecate this technology please? It is >>>> >>>> really rather good! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Dr. Mark Wardle >>>> >>>> Consultant Neurologist, University Hospital Wales, Cardiff, UK >>>> >>>> Email: mark.war...@wales.nhs.uk or m...@wardle.org Twitter: @mwardle >>>> >>>> Telephone: 02920745274 (secretary) or facsimile: 02920744166 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email sent to prob...@macti.ca >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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