I B M Money gogogo -- Shayne O'Neill.. trådkrämare http://perth.indymedia.org "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." President Dwight D. Eisenhower April 16, 1953
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Michael Palmer wrote: > Hi all, > > I think Matt said it very well - we need a capable volunteer who is in a > position to spend serious time on this. > I don't know if this is a realistic idea, but on the main Python website > they are soliciting grant proposals: > > http://www.python.org/psf/call-2004.html > > Since several well-known people are involved with Webware and the > project is one of the most mature and feature-rich Python web > frameworks, might there not be a chance that a grant could be obtained > for an enhanced version? One could then pay someone to actually invest > serious time into the new release. Most probably though, a maintenance > and bug-fix release would not get funded - we would have to make the > case that some new abilities in Webware would benefit the Python > community at large. > > I have neither the time nor the skills (being a self-tought hobbyist) to > do the actual work on the release, but I could help with the grant > writing; I have successfully applied for some half dozen science grants > (o.k., so there were 2 failures, too). > > Best, Michael > > Matt Feifarek wrote: > > > David London wrote: > > > >> I'd like to start the petition for the release of a new version. > > > > I understand your frustration, and I think that in sentiment, you'll > > get nothing but agreement from this list, but it's not that simple, > > I'm afraid. > > > > I'm certainly not one of the veterans here, but I've been around since > > Ww 0.5, and this has been a problem since then. > > > > Since it basically works so well, the luminaries (Chuck, Geoff, Tavis, > > Ian, etc.) don't seem to need to work on it. Lots of them may use CVS > > or even self-hacked versions. > > > > Personally, my firm only uses the last release, for reasons similar to > > what you describe, but as much as I'd love a current release, we're > > really in no position to "demand" anything unless we step up > > ourselves. And a "petition" is pretty much that: a demand. > > > > And I'm not comfortable demanding anything of these guys; they've > > already given us so much. They don't owe us anything. In fact, we > > probably owe them. If your firm deploys this code to paying clients, > > why not make it a priority to volunteer some company resources to > > getting a new release done? > > > > In the past, those guys have asked for volunteer release coordinators. > > And in the past, people have stepped up to do that. Our firm has > > considered doing it, but we don't really feel qualified, nor do we > > have any concept of the time commitment involved. We've never done > > anything like it before, and we're not such cracker-jack programmers. > > > > So, rather than demand a release from the original authors, let's talk > > about what a new release would mean (which kits? what features? what > > version of python is supported? etc.) and how we might go about > > getting it done. > > > > Some ideas: > > * we could start a discussion about what should be included in the > > next release, and what should not > > * we could take up a collection and *hire* one or more of the original > > authors as consultants to cut a release for the community > > * we could again ask for a volunteer > > > > Here's a very out-dated release notes text: > > http://webware.sourceforge.net/oldsite/Webware-0.8.1/Docs/ReleaseProcedures.html > > > > > > > > ... my 2 cents > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Webware-discuss mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss > > > > > -- > > Michael Palmer > University of Waterloo > Dept. of Chemistry > 200 University Ave. West > Waterloo, ON N2L 3G1 > Canada > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > URL: http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~mpalmer/ > Phone: (519) 888 4567 ext. 5100 > Fax: (519) 746 0435 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop > FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! > Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721&alloc_id=10040&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Webware-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! 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