I said they should rot in hell. I didn't say anything about jail. Anyway, I think I said "whoever did this", not "the people they arrested". Actually I probably said both, the former was a correction of the latter. My main point is that I don't need a trial in order for me to decide whether I think someone is guilty or not. And I still don't think trials necessarily determine whether someone is guilty or not. They just determine if there is enough evidence to convict. I think we're going around in circles, so whatever. Go see Little Miss Sunshine.
--- In [email protected], "Daria Akers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > See now I am hearing something that is a little less jarring to me... By > saying: > "again not everyone they arrested may be involved, and there are probably > other people > not arrested who are involved" it sounds to me that you are open to the fact > that everyone arrested might not deserve to be jailed for the rest of their > life. I felt like you had already locked them up and thrown away the key > (in your mind). and it seemed to me to be too early for that. > I felt like you had a knee jerk reaction and was wondering if you really > felt that sure of all the details and the punishement that they all > deserved. > That was my whole issue. > Daria > > > On 8/14/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think maybe it depends on if there are suspects--again not everyone > > they arrested may be involved, and there are probably other people > > not arrested who are involved, but they (whoever is in charge of > > this) seems to have a pretty good idea of who did this. Didn't they > > not have Islamic suspects in Oklahoma City? It seemed to be a case > > of trends or whatever--similar things were caused by Islamic > > terrorists previously, so statistically it was likely that they would > > do this, but they didn't have any evidence. With London they really > > seem to have evidence. > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Daria Akers" > > <daria.akers@> wrote: > > > > > > Do you ever wonder if you have enough information to make a > > decision about a > > > case like that? I read a lot and last week when this whole > > terrorist plot > > > was coming out of the UK I just felt like I didn't have enough > > information > > > to make a decision about guilt or innocence. I try to not rush to > > judgement > > > about people without know the details. I understand that you may > > not feel > > > the need for all the details but I don't believe everything that I > > hear. > > > Especially in the first few days after something like this. I > > remember when > > > the Murrow Federal Building in Ok was blown up the first thing that > > was said > > > was it was Islamic terrorists... we often jump to conclusions. > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > because I often believe someone is guilty even after the trial > > has > > > > proven them not guilty, so the outcome of the trial doesn't always > > > > have much impact on how I feel about the case. Like in the case of > > > > the guy who they are accusing of killing his wife and kid in their > > > > house--if he's found not guilty I'm still gonna definitely still > > > > think he did it. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <weingartenchatters% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > "Daria Akers" > > > > > > > > <daria.akers@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > WOOOOHOOOO Yes... that is all we wanted. It is the semantics of > > the > > > > > argument. It's all about splitting hairs and doing it with great > > > > > passion. All the while knowing people here will still laugh at > > your > > > > jokes. > > > > > Got to love community. > > > > > Daria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OK that was DEFINITELY the wrong choice of words, which is > > > > probably > > > > > > the root of the confusion. You don't need a trial to BELIEVE > > > > someone > > > > > > is guilty. My fault, sorry. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <weingartenchatters% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <weingartenchatters% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > "dvm8375" > > > > > > > > > > > > <muellerdana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In America you do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > [email protected] <weingartenchatters% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <weingartenchatters% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <weingartenchatters% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > "Ellen" > > > > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting the impression that they have good reason to > > > > believe > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > majority of them are guilty. Sorry, I'm convinced. You > > don't > > > > > > > need a > > > > > > > > trial to prove someone is guilty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > [email protected] <weingartenchatters% 40yahoogroups.com> > > <weingartenchatters% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <weingartenchatters% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > "denisesudell" > > > > > > > > <dsudell7781@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > [email protected]<weingartenchatters% 40yahoogroups.com><weingartenchatters% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <weingartenchatters% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > > "Ellen" > > > > > > > <ellengoodman6@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Those people they arrested should rot in hell. . . . > > Yes > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > possible they arrested some people that were innocent, > > but > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > certain they aren't all innocent. . . . This is sick and > > > > these > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > deserve whatever is coming to them." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boy, if I ever get arrested and charged with a crime, I > > hope > > > > > > you > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > serve on the jury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weingartenchatters/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
