Re: [wc] Re: am I crazy to go to London in October?

Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:02:43 -0700

Wanna babysit??? My babysitter left for college on Saturday and I am SOL till I can find a new one. Trust me Little Miss Sunshine is at the TOP of my list of things to do once I find a babysitter.
 
You did say rot in hell but I thought that was too damning. I know i don't have the power to put someone there and assumed you didn't either but you might have beter connections than me.
 
On 8/14/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I said they should rot in hell. I didn't say anything about jail.
Anyway, I think I said "whoever did this", not "the people they
arrested". Actually I probably said both, the former was a
correction of the latter. My main point is that I don't need a trial
in order for me to decide whether I think someone is guilty or not.
And I still don't think trials necessarily determine whether someone
is guilty or not. They just determine if there is enough evidence to
convict. I think we're going around in circles, so whatever. Go see
Little Miss Sunshine.



--- In [email protected], "Daria Akers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> See now I am hearing something that is a little less jarring to
me... By
> saying:
> "again not everyone they arrested may be involved, and there are
probably
> other people
> not arrested who are involved" it sounds to me that you are open to
the fact
> that everyone arrested might not deserve to be jailed for the rest
of their
> life. I felt like you had already locked them up and thrown away
the key
> (in your mind). and it seemed to me to be too early for that.
> I felt like you had a knee jerk reaction and was wondering if you
really
> felt that sure of all the details and the punishement that they all
> deserved.
> That was my whole issue.
> Daria
>
>
> On 8/14/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think maybe it depends on if there are suspects--again not
everyone
> > they arrested may be involved, and there are probably other people
> > not arrested who are involved, but they (whoever is in charge of
> > this) seems to have a pretty good idea of who did this. Didn't
they
> > not have Islamic suspects in Oklahoma City? It seemed to be a case
> > of trends or whatever--similar things were caused by Islamic
> > terrorists previously, so statistically it was likely that they
would
> > do this, but they didn't have any evidence. With London they
really
> > seem to have evidence.
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected] <weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Daria Akers"
> > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you ever wonder if you have enough information to make a
> > decision about a
> > > case like that? I read a lot and last week when this whole
> > terrorist plot
> > > was coming out of the UK I just felt like I didn't have enough
> > information
> > > to make a decision about guilt or innocence. I try to not rush
to
> > judgement
> > > about people without know the details. I understand that you may
> > not feel
> > > the need for all the details but I don't believe everything
that I
> > hear.
> > > Especially in the first few days after something like this. I
> > remember when
> > > the Murrow Federal Building in Ok was blown up the first thing
that
> > was said
> > > was it was Islamic terrorists... we often jump to conclusions.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/14/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > because I often believe someone is guilty even after the trial
> > has
> > > > proven them not guilty, so the outcome of the trial doesn't
always
> > > > have much impact on how I feel about the case. Like in the
case of
> > > > the guy who they are accusing of killing his wife and kid in
their
> > > > house--if he's found not guilty I'm still gonna definitely
still
> > > > think he did it.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > > "Daria Akers"
> > > >
> > > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > WOOOOHOOOO Yes... that is all we wanted. It is the
semantics of
> > the
> > > > > argument. It's all about splitting hairs and doing it with
great
> > > > > passion. All the while knowing people here will still laugh
at
> > your
> > > > jokes.
> > > > > Got to love community.
> > > > > Daria
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/14/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK that was DEFINITELY the wrong choice of words, which is
> > > > probably
> > > > > > the root of the confusion. You don't need a trial to
BELIEVE
> > > > someone
> > > > > > is guilty. My fault, sorry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
[email protected] <weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > >
> > > > > > "dvm8375"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <muellerdana@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In America you do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > [email protected] <weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com >
> > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > >
> > > > > > "Ellen"
> > > > > > > <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm getting the impression that they have good reason
to
> > > > believe
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > majority of them are guilty. Sorry, I'm convinced. You
> > don't
> > > > > > > need a
> > > > > > > > trial to prove someone is guilty.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > [email protected] <weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com >
> > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "denisesudell"
> > > > > > > > <dsudell7781@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > [email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com><weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > >
> > > > > > "Ellen"
> > > > > > > <ellengoodman6@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Those people they arrested should rot in
hell. . . .
> > Yes
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > possible they arrested some people that were
innocent,
> > but
> > > > I am
> > > > > > > > > certain they aren't all innocent. . . . This is
sick and
> > > > these
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > deserve whatever is coming to them."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Boy, if I ever get arrested and charged with a
crime, I
> > hope
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > serve on the jury.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


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