Hi DanTMan -
Great ideas and thoughts. But I want to make sure that someone from
Yu-Gi-Oh! requested the changes you mention below. Is the entire community
aware of what you intend to do? If not, then I am reluctant to suggest we
change anything (either behind the scenes or in full view) until they are a
part of the discussion. I would much prefer that you show the Yu-Gi-Oh!
community the possibilities on a talk page and have them embrace the help
rather than force something on them which they don't feel is needed. If the
majority of the community doesn't acknowledge the improvements you are
offering, then I think it's wise to give them space until they do.
Thanks,
Bill
On 9/23/07, DanTMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *Short Summary:* Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki needs Namespaces, but it can't be done
> the normal way through the staff Special page because of the wiki's size and
> the quantity of pages.
> ------------------------------
> I've been starting to out the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki lately. While they are quite
> well off in editors and admins, they are largely undeveloped with any of the
> normal *complex* templates and other tricks.
> Which brings me to a bit of an issue I'm trying to solve:
> On the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki they basically have 7 specific pages for a card:
>
> - *Card name* - The card page with the information on the card.
> - Card Gallery:*Card name* - A gallery of the different images of
> the card (Cards can be from multiple packs, starter sets, promos, be 1st
> Edition, or holofoil, have English/Japanese versions, and even have other
> versions with different lore (the card text or effect))
> - Card Rulings:*Card name* - Lists various Rulings used in various
> game tournaments and other official rulings about the card.
> - Card Errata:*Card name* - A list/table/explanation of the various
> changes to things on the card such as it's lore, which were changed with
> different releases of the card.
> - Card Tips:*Card name* - Tips on how the card can be effectively
> used, or combined with other cards.
> - Anime and Manga Appearances:*Card name* - Times where the card
> was used in one of the Anime or Manga.
> - Card Trivia:*Card name* - Various other small bits of information
> on the card which don't fit elsewhere.
>
> But now the issue is on the templates.
> Unfortunately, instead of putting the Gallery, Rulings, Errata, Tips,
> etc... index into one template. They each have their own, but that's not the
> big problem.
> The issue lies in this:
> While on the *Card name* page you can nicely link to the gallery within
> one of the Card Table templates using "Card Gallery:{{PAGENAME}}", that
> doesn't work that well on the "Card Gallery:*Card name*" page. So instead,
> while the Card's page links using {{PAGENAME}}, the others link with a
> template parameter. And that starts to not work out to well. If you move a
> Card page to a new title, all the links fix themselves and point to the
> correct page, because the thing in common with all the pages is always the
> *Card name* bit in the name, if that's different they're not part of each
> other. But, when you move a page like a "Card Errata:*Card name*" page,
> the links don't change, and now it's linking back to incorrect pages, which
> don't link back properly.
>
> So the real problem is, that the things like "Card Gallery:" should
> actually be namespaces. But there's an issue with asking the staff to do
> this.
> Go to http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Prefixindex/Card_Trivia: this
> is just one of them. There are 6 namespaces which would need to be created.
> In simple terms, as you see on that page list there, a Special:Prefixindex
> list, filled up, with only one of those sets, only gets half the list. So,
> count that number there, multiply it by 2, then multiply that by 6... And
> that's a few thousand pages which would need to be moved, then a request
> would need to be made to the staff, then things would need to be moved back.
> Sure it's possible to move things by bot, but what about the users. The
> Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is a highly active wiki, we start moving, and editors start
> getting confused and recreating stuff. Either that or we come up with some
> way to basically shut down the wiki for a few days. But then, one of Wikia's
> large wiki is dead for a few days...
>
> So this is something that would need to be done by the Techs. Through the
> normal PHP edit, and a set of SQL queries.
> Basically the 6 new namespaces would need to be added, then a set of 6 SQL
> queries like this, would need to be run:
> UPDATE pages SET page_namespace = 104, page_name =
> SUBSTRING(page_namespace, 12) WHERE page_namespace = 0 AND 'Card_Trivia:' =
> LEFT(page_name, 12)
> Which of course, basically would go over all the pages in the Main
> namespace starting with 'Card_Trivia:', change the namespace to the new one
> (104 in the example), and then strip out the 'Card_Trivia:' from the start
> of the title so we don't have it now at Card_Trivia:Card_Trivia:*Card name
> *.
>
> Is this something that could still be requested of the techs?
>
> --
> ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of The Gaiapedia, Wikia Graphical Entertainment
> Project, and Wiki-Tools.com
>
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