https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208
Erik Moeller <[email protected]> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC|[email protected] | --- Comment #86 from Erik Moeller <[email protected]> 2011-09-16 09:37:40 UTC --- Hi folks, this will be my last comment on this bug, as I don't think this is the right place to have further useful discussions. I empathize with expressions of anger and frustration, and I'm very sorry that we haven't been able to handle this issue in a way that minimizes both. With that said - if your view of WMF is that the only legitimate engagement toward a request like this one is to execute it, then there's not much point in continuing a conversation. That's simply not our view, nor has it ever been our practice. My own take is pretty straightforward: The community has certain blind spots and biases; WMF has certain blind spots and biases. Having spent years deeply immersed in both, I can safely say that the two are very different animals. For example, WMF has recently completed the most comprehensive research program ever conducted into a huge variety of questions related to editor retention ( see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_Summer_of_Research_2011 ). That's the kind of program that requires organizational support and coordination to succeed, and it's yielded some incredibly important insights, many of which are probably still unknown to the average Wikimedian. But that's a very different perspective from that of, say, our most active new page patrollers, who will know tons of things from first-hand experience that, at least to the WMF folks who haven't been doing NPP Work recently or ever, aren't obvious at all. So, I think if we want to seriously solve the problems we all know exist, we'll need to bring different experiences and viewpoints together to eliminate blind spots. When we act purely on the basis of our own biases, we make mistakes. We avoid mistakes by listening, and by collaborating especially with people who bring perspectives outside our own field of view. (In our context, that should also include perspectives from other language Wikipedias and sister projects.) In other words, I am not at all asserting that the ideas that we've been kicking around and sharing with you are the right ideas. I am, however, saying that we'll get much closer to doing the right things in the right way by making a real effort to work together. I think the recent discussions that have kicked off on the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_creation_workflow are taking us in the right direction at looking at the problem from very different perspectives. You'll find me there, and I hope we can find a tone of equal partnership in digging into the complex social and technical problems we've been talking about. This will take time, but I think it's worth it to get this right. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
