Hello Peter, the discussion I was referring to is linked to from my blog post When Wikieductaor will be no more<http://learnonline.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/when-wikieducator-will-be-no-more/> .
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Leigh, > > "Hi Peter, the are discussions in Wikiversity that have matured more > on your > notion of wikis for constructionism." - Leigh > > I'd like to read these discussions. I did a "walk" around and a few > searches and these discussions were not easily found. Could you point > me toward these discussions on Wikiversity?? > > Thx, Peter > > On May 22, 6:23 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Peter, the are discussions in Wikiversity that have matured more on > your > > notion of wikis for constructionism. > > > > I think we need to acknowledge the culture of the educational > organisations > > (to which Wikied and COL are targeting). Education in such a context IS a > > content driven thing, with course documents, syllabus and curriculum, and > > 'texts'. In this sense Wikis are already well understood as useful tools > - > > if encyclopedia entries are any measure. So document creation is what it > is > > being used for now. > > > > But content IS NOT king, and the construction PROCESS is where the > valuable > > learning is taking place - as you and others say. But that is precisely > what > > wikied is doing with teachers. We are getting teachers to use wikis in a > way > > that they see value in now (course document creation), and through that > > experience hopefully appreciating the constructionist learning process > and > > coming to a similar conclusion that you have - that students and > teachers, > > (hey! how about just people?) can co create learning in wikis. > > > > And once the teachers get it, they will be ready to introduce their > students > > who will no doubt edit the teacher's initial work and take more control. > > More likely, everyone will migrate out of Wikied, empowered with a true > > understanding of constructionist learning, and operate directly in places > of > > co created relavence = Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikiversity not just > wikis... > > > > At this point in time - Wikied is playing a needed role in upskilling > > teachers so that they can come to that realisation > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I find this discussion interesting, particularly in light of the > > > "Systemic and cognitive view on collaborative knowledge building with > > > wikis". paper referenced in a previous post. I read the paper and upon > > > reflection agreed that wikis are great places for individuals (and > > > groups) to construct knowledge. This paper went into the foundational > > > knowledge (proof) that wikis are great places to construct knowledge. > > > The paper talks about how it is the individuals who participate in the > > > knowledge creation (authoring of the wiki) that benefit. > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/browse_thread/thread/1707. > .. > > > > > I also AGREE with what is being written in this and related threads. I > > > also believe what Otago is doing is awesome! Though I fundamentally > > > believe that WE is targeting the wrong audience to be the > > > collaborators. It is the students that should be creating the WE pages > > > and the teachers provide guidance / mentorship. So far I am seeing > > > teachers creating the content, and this is the flaw. When we talk > > > about increasing collaboration, we should be talking about how do we > > > get teachers "out of the way" and encourage the students to be > > > collaborating within WE. These were my sentiments a year back during > > > the Tectonic Shift;http://wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/Visionand > > > they haven't changed. having watched the WE over the last year I > > > believe this more now than ever. > > > > > So I challenge everyone to think about who should be the WE authors > > > (collaborators); the teachers or the students? > > > > > Peter > > > > > On May 22, 4:54 am, Missan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Collaboration to me is a process of working together to achieve a > > > > shared goal. For WikiEd, the shared goal is to develop free content > > > > for supporting learning at different levels and different subject > > > > domains. As a community we have started on this path, and agreed to > > > > create content that shall be avialable for free on the WikiEd > > > > platform. There are different stages of development for the end > users, > > > > but as a community we should be at one stage. May be we are now in > the > > > > training stage, and therefore not much collaboration is visible. So, > > > > it is too early to ask for too much. But, there is nothing wrong in > > > > asking for more, and Randy has rightly started this discussion. How > do > > > > we measure collaboration? Some indicators are: > > > > > > * Number of edits on contents created by others > > > > * More discussion on the discussion pages > > > > * Groups commited to develop content on a particular area and > > > > continusouly working on it > > > > * More useful content rated by the community > > > > * And many more... > > > > > > At the present stage of development, we are only adding content to > > > > WikiEd as individuals. More collaboration will start, once we develop > > > > the rating system/ feature article system/ or flagging. Collboration > > > > as a learning opportunity leads to negotiated understanding. > > > > > > with regards, Sanjaya > > > > -- > > -- > > Leigh Blackall > > +64(0)21736539 > > skype - leigh_blackall > > SL - Leroy Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.com- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator, go to: http://www.wikieducator.org To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
