Hi Peter, the are discussions in Wikiversity that have matured more on your notion of wikis for constructionism.
I think we need to acknowledge the culture of the educational organisations (to which Wikied and COL are targeting). Education in such a context IS a content driven thing, with course documents, syllabus and curriculum, and 'texts'. In this sense Wikis are already well understood as useful tools - if encyclopedia entries are any measure. So document creation is what it is being used for now. But content IS NOT king, and the construction PROCESS is where the valuable learning is taking place - as you and others say. But that is precisely what wikied is doing with teachers. We are getting teachers to use wikis in a way that they see value in now (course document creation), and through that experience hopefully appreciating the constructionist learning process and coming to a similar conclusion that you have - that students and teachers, (hey! how about just people?) can co create learning in wikis. And once the teachers get it, they will be ready to introduce their students who will no doubt edit the teacher's initial work and take more control. More likely, everyone will migrate out of Wikied, empowered with a true understanding of constructionist learning, and operate directly in places of co created relavence = Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikiversity not just wikis... At this point in time - Wikied is playing a needed role in upskilling teachers so that they can come to that realisation On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I find this discussion interesting, particularly in light of the > "Systemic and cognitive view on collaborative knowledge building with > wikis". paper referenced in a previous post. I read the paper and upon > reflection agreed that wikis are great places for individuals (and > groups) to construct knowledge. This paper went into the foundational > knowledge (proof) that wikis are great places to construct knowledge. > The paper talks about how it is the individuals who participate in the > knowledge creation (authoring of the wiki) that benefit. > > http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/browse_thread/thread/1707624e31249be5?hl=en > > I also AGREE with what is being written in this and related threads. I > also believe what Otago is doing is awesome! Though I fundamentally > believe that WE is targeting the wrong audience to be the > collaborators. It is the students that should be creating the WE pages > and the teachers provide guidance / mentorship. So far I am seeing > teachers creating the content, and this is the flaw. When we talk > about increasing collaboration, we should be talking about how do we > get teachers "out of the way" and encourage the students to be > collaborating within WE. These were my sentiments a year back during > the Tectonic Shift; http://wikieducator.org/User:Prawstho/Vision and > they haven't changed. having watched the WE over the last year I > believe this more now than ever. > > So I challenge everyone to think about who should be the WE authors > (collaborators); the teachers or the students? > > Peter > > > > On May 22, 4:54 am, Missan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Collaboration to me is a process of working together to achieve a > > shared goal. For WikiEd, the shared goal is to develop free content > > for supporting learning at different levels and different subject > > domains. As a community we have started on this path, and agreed to > > create content that shall be avialable for free on the WikiEd > > platform. There are different stages of development for the end users, > > but as a community we should be at one stage. May be we are now in the > > training stage, and therefore not much collaboration is visible. So, > > it is too early to ask for too much. But, there is nothing wrong in > > asking for more, and Randy has rightly started this discussion. How do > > we measure collaboration? Some indicators are: > > > > * Number of edits on contents created by others > > * More discussion on the discussion pages > > * Groups commited to develop content on a particular area and > > continusouly working on it > > * More useful content rated by the community > > * And many more... > > > > At the present stage of development, we are only adding content to > > WikiEd as individuals. More collaboration will start, once we develop > > the rating system/ feature article system/ or flagging. Collboration > > as a learning opportunity leads to negotiated understanding. > > > > with regards, Sanjaya > > > -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator, go to: http://www.wikieducator.org To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
