Dear Leigh, i am amazed by your continous bringing up of controversial topics in wikieducator like me and i would like to applaud you for your tenacity. You can most certainly ignore people like Patricia and Randy who are ACTUALLY the destructive profiteers. Thanks for highlighting the issues that i am catching up on at the moment. Just came back from UAE and now have some time to catch up on politics :)
Don't be discouraged by the vultures because an eagle flies far above them :) On Oct 30, 1:38 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was a fresh and accessible read thanks Peter. I especially liked and > found interesting the 5 suggested areas of development research. There was a > sudden jump in the level of detail, but I hung in there. > > BTW, have you heard of this thing called the Delphi > Technique<http://www.illinoisloop.org/delphi_battey.html> > ? > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Holly Poop! > > > This is a thread that is really getting to the nut of the issue. And > > an issue that has me thinking, well to be honest, I've always found > > myself an anarchist and my trust of western philosophies "imposed" on > > others has often got my goat. You know, what right do we have to think > > we have it right... So many initiatives started in good faith gone > > awry. Look at development efforts over the last 40 years... Can we > > actually say they have done more good than disruption? We will never > > know cause they were (in general) imposed... enough ranting... For > > those so inclined, I believe we can do an incredible amount of > > development work from home; > >http://www.gg.rhul.ac.uk/ict4d/Research%20at%20home.pdf > > And I also believe that work done from your home community provides an > > arms length where the "recipients" have greater choice in what they > > "consume". Working from home also lessens your environmental impact... > > > I honestly believe we need diversity. I do not believe in centralized > > control. We need a platform that encourages diversity, not singularity > > negotiated. We do not need one place or one piece of OER to fill a > > common need. We need the ability to subclass, reuse, alter, and create > > multiple versions of OER. Localized yet reference the source... This > > would provide diversity and celebrate similarities. I look forward to > > the day where we can have multiple versions of the same OER, > > localized. > > > All this said, any work we do toward the goal of CC-BY-SA OER is good > > work... > > > Sincerely. > > > On Oct 29, 10:51 pm, "Chris Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Names stand for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page about > > > > "constructivism" and "math" and "multiplication" in any wiki. > > > > This is wrong, in an encyclopedia or dictionary this may be true. > > > > Warm regards > > > Chris Harvey > > > chris.superuser.com.au > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >wrote: > > > > > Great insight Maria! You are more than close I think. A thing that has > > > > troubled me very much about the WIkieducator project is this one-ness. > > We > > > > all encourage each other to identify as Wikieductors (up until this > > thread), > > > > and the Wikipedia article gave me clarity on this concern. Some of us > > use > > > > words like, "Wikieducator family", and "Wikieducator community" and > > this > > > > spreads a feeling of commitment to the collective and one-ness. Stephen > > > > Downes' talk about the differences between groups and networks is the > > best > > > > yet articulation of this problem. > > > > > Your observtion about wikis is very close to my sense too Maria, but I > > can > > > > think of one very (the most) successful open education resource wiki > > that is > > > > not - Wikispaces. Wikispaces is first and foremost about the many > > different > > > > spaces on the platform. The Wikispace platform and business takes a > > very > > > > back seat in it all, and in the early stages the owners went out of > > their > > > > way to promote the projects on Wikispaces more than the Wikispace > > platform > > > > itself. Today, it is clear to see (in comparison to Wikieducator and > > > > Wikipedia) that Wikispaces is all about the projects on the platform. > > > > > To some extent I think Wikiversity is successfully doing this, but > > there is > > > > plenty of evidence to centrally control the project, and have users > > adopt > > > > group identity and a sense of one-ness. > > > > > Where this gets most unsettling for me is when that sense of one-ness > > is > > > > then represented by a single person, or celebrity. In the case of > > Wikipedia, > > > > it is of course Jim Wales. > > > > > Alex, regarding globalisation. The roots of this is in the very > > inception > > > > of the Commonwealth. Today it is through the free marketeering speer > > headed > > > > by the USA, but echoed in the "West". Some wonder just how much bodies > > like > > > > the UN and perhaps COL, inadvertently represent that globalised view. > > > > > This might be seen as a new form of colonisation, a concept that the > > > > Commonwealth again knows all about. The new form of colonisation is no > > > > different. Its culltural, its educational, its delivered through media > > and > > > > peak bodies, and relies on a sense of one-ness > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Maria Droujkova <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >wrote: > > > > >> Some entities involved in this conversation are new to me. From this > > > >> extreme newbie perspective, this conversation seems to be about > > "voting for > > > >> the best, the most logical, the most streamlined" vs. having many > > different > > > >> sorts, kinds and flavors of... curricula, connections, models, > > theories. Am > > > >> I close? > > > > >> Ever since wiki was invented, I've been wondering about this question, > > > >> though, even if it only relates to this conversation through a > > tangent. So I > > > >> am going to formulate it again. Wiki uses a "single idea, single > > space" > > > >> metaphor, hardcoded by allowing one single page by each name. Names > > stand > > > >> for ideas, so there will be the one and the only page about > > "constructivism" > > > >> and "math" and "multiplication" in any wiki. This calls up all > > territorial > > > >> mechanisms of controlling this seemingly limited "land" - and do these > > > >> necessarily lead to wars? As Leigh said resignedly, in this thread, > > "Off to > > > >> start an edit war in Wikipedia." > > > > >> In general, human groups need a healthy balance between convergence > > and > > > >> divergence of ideas. It looks like wikis tend to promote convergence > > (either > > > >> synergy-style, or survival-of-the-fittest style) rather than > > collections of > > > >> multitudes of ideas. So, would wiki ed projects attract people who > > work in > > > >> "the bestest single curriculum" direction? > > > > >> -- > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> MariaD > > > > >> I write, 'In the beginning was the Deed!' - Goethe, Faust > > > > >> naturalmath.com: a sketch of a social math site > > > >> groups.google.com/group/naturalmath: a mailing list about math maker > > > >> activities > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > Leigh Blackall > > > >+64(0)21736539 > > > > skype - leigh_blackall > > > > SL - Leroy Goalpost > > > >http://learnonline.wordpress.com > > > >http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall > > -- > -- > Leigh Blackall > +64(0)21736539 > skype - leigh_blackall > SL - Leroy > Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.comhttp://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall- > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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