Hi Peter, Thanks, I will be visiting the page sometime today. Right now am so overjoyed by Obama's win as Present of the USA! Wow! LIZ
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page > To: "WikiEducator" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:39 AM > Elizabeth, > > Yes, getting used to formatting tables with Wiki syntax is > different > (and more difficult) than HTML. All I can suggest is you > look at other > WE tables to get used to the syntax. The L4C registration > page has a > good example of a "well" formatted table; > http://www.wikieducator.org/Learning4Content/Registration > > Let me know how I could help further. > > Peter > > On Nov 4, 5:37 am, elizabeth mbasu > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do > this so that it does not spread all over > > Liz > > > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] > Re: Another Milestone > > > To: "WikiEducator" > <[email protected]> > > > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM > > > Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus > ebbs and > > > flows. so > > > sometimes putting energy into keeping something > relevant > > > and strong is > > > like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn > thing > > > around, let the > > > node die... Don't forget the long tail is > forever... So > > > 20 years from > > > now any resource could again become popular or > through time > > > this > > > thread could be referenced many times... ;) > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, "Leigh Blackall" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "In the beginning there was the > word..." :) > > > > > > In the begining there was the Internet, and > the > > > ability for people to > > > > publish on it and express themselves. As > epxressive > > > individuals they were > > > > small nodes, connected by way of the > Internet. When > > > their connections to > > > > other nodes become stronger, they came > closer > > > together. Over time (and all > > > > the right agreements) they become close in > fact they > > > were indistinguishable > > > > from one another. Indivdually they grouped > to form a > > > bigger node, but it is > > > > now slightly more difficult for them to > connect to new > > > nodes because more of > > > > their energy is spent refering to each other > and > > > keeping their bigger node > > > > connected and strong. They are starting to > loose the > > > benefit of being in a > > > > long tail > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail>. > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Leigh, > > > > > > > I get your point. And I do agree with > you that if > > > you don't facilitate > > > > > mash-up practices you reduce > connections, and > > > therefore the network > > > > > becomes smaller and restrained... > openness is the > > > way... I guess these > > > > > subtleties are why so much discussion > occurs > > > regarding the meaning of > > > > > open... > > > > > > > I also get your point about items that > connect > > > nodes vs. being the > > > > > nodes themselves. All this said I would > think > > > that Lawrence Lessig at > > > > > one point would have been considered a > node > > > evangelizing the benefits > > > > > of a creative commons, through time the > CC has > > > become a part of the > > > > > conduit. Like flickr, it was at one > time a small > > > group hacking > > > > > together a photo sharing site (there > were a > > > group). Linux at one time > > > > > was an individual project... So could > it be that > > > all nodes or conduit > > > > > technologies start as individuals or > small > > > groups... I seek an example > > > > > where a network just appeared without > it first > > > being started by a > > > > > small group or individual... > > > > > > > Cheers, Peter > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, "Leigh > Blackall" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting Peter, I hadn't > considered > > > that list as nodes in a network. I > > > > > > suppose they are in some ways, but > I have > > > always considered them as the > > > > > > things that connect the real nodes > - the > > > platforms that facilitate > > > > > > communication between nodes. > > > > > > > > Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I > see that > > > as a node or nodes, both > > > > > > embodied in the content, and in > you as the > > > personal point of contact. K12 > > > > > > may someday connect with a similar > or > > > complimentary project on > > > > > Wikispaces.. > > > > > > with a particular blog post.. a > Youtube > > > video.. another individual who > > > > > works > > > > > > on her own space, but through > certain > > > technologies - feeds into K12... > > > > > etc. > > > > > > This same networking of > information and > > > people can happen inside a single > > > > > > platform such as Wikieducator - > but I would > > > question its capacities if it > > > > > > where only inside Wikied. > > > > > > > > Things that make the networked > > > "mission" succeed: Using digital > formats > > > > > > published openly online. Use of CC > By to > > > unrestrict reuse and sampling (I > > > > > > suspect copyright will be a thing > of the > > > past in the not too distant > > > > > future, > > > > > > if Google's approach to it is > anything > > > to go by). > > > > > > > > Trappings that can undo the > flexibility of a > > > network: Prescribing certain > > > > > > practices - such as CC By, Open > Format > > > Standards or Open Source Software > > > > > (as > > > > > > much as I appreciate their worth, > the loss > > > in potential connections is > > > > > too > > > > > > great if we insist on these too > much). Not > > > facilitating "mashup" > > > > > practices > > > > > > (embedding 3rd party media). > Centralising > > > services. Policies that police, > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, > Peter > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Leigh, > > > > > > > Most Excellent. I agree its > time for > > > those who have been following > > > > > > > this thread to watch (or > re-watch) the > > > Downes video; > > > > > > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 > > > > > > > And I would agree I see a > GROUP > > > entrenching itself within WE. Not that > > > > > > > this is a bad thing, it just > is. > > > Though, I do believe a network > > > > > > > approach will have greater > success in > > > meeting the WE mission. WE can > > > > > > > only hope that the council > also sees it > > > this way, or maybe they will > > > > > > > see having a group approach > is best for > > > meeting the challenges of the > > > > > > > WE mission. I think that > encouraging a > > > NETWORK of educators to utilize > > > > > > > the WE infrastructure, and > then > > > everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out > > > > > > > of the way is the best (re: > like > > > WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group > > > > > > > vs. network and the > "ills" > > > within a group (control, resources, etc...) > > > > > > > It makes me wonder if this is > how > > > Minhaaj sees profiteering? > > > > > > > > > A few question that come from > all this; > > > Can a resource node on the > > > > > > > network be started by a > network? Or > > > have all resource nodes grown out > > > > > > > of the efforts of an > individual or > > > small group? If you look at the > > > > > > > current set or resource > nodes, most of > > > them grew from the efforts of > > > > > > > an individual or small group. > Maybe > > > this is the natural lifecycle of a > > > > > > > network node. And the > challenge for any > > > node is to transition from > > > > > > > starting as a group, letting > go, and > > > becoming a network node... > > > > > > > > > (Examples of resource nodes > starting > > > from individuals or small groups > > > > > > > would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, > Wikipedia, > > > Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, > > > > > > > CC...) So what do you think, > do all > > > network nodes start out as small > > > > > > > groups? > > > > > > > > > As another Canadian, > Thank-you...I > > > certainly hope this thread plants > > > > > > > some seeds and allows this > important > > > discussion to become a part of > > > > > > > the WE consciousness. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Peter > > > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 1:06 am, > "Leigh > > > Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, I sense you have > it. That > > > makes me happy :) > > > > > > > > > > I am just back from a > walk in the > > > mountains, and struggle to find the > > > > > > > > motivation to explain > this any > > > more. I'm satisfied that I've at least > > > > > > > > communicated my thoughts > to Peter, > > > and hope he'll carry the ball > > > > > further. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will recommend for a > third time to > > > watch Downes video explaining the > > > > > > > tension > > > > > > > > between groups and > networks, and > > > reflect on the controlling > > > > > influences > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > groups have on us > individually - > > > especially Wikieducator. Sorry if > > > > > you > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > have watched it - I just > see > > > little evidence of it. > > > > > > > > > > Legs so sore I can > barely keep the > > > laptop on my lap! Face burnt, > > > > > mouth > > > > > > > dry, > > > > > > > > boots wet. I'll > sleep well > > > tonight! > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at > 6:18 AM, > > > Derek Chirnside > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well well. > Saturday, 6.01am > > > here, just off to the Coast with two > > > > > > > bands, > > > > > > > > > one classic rock > and one > > > progressive rock to play 7 hours at the > > > > > Empire > > > > > > > > > Hotel during the > 6,000 people > > > Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever > > > > > > > disenhanced > > > > > > > > > (severely today), > and very > > > very tired after the decision this week > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Moodle trial here > and the > > > huge amount of work leading up to this. > > > > > > > > > > > Then this post > comes. The > > > first words where I think I really can > > > > > > > engage > > > > > > > > > wkith this > fascinating > > > discussion, possibly at the risk of missing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > point, but I do > have some > > > things to say. > > > > > > > > > I'm based at an > unusual > > > institution. They will give us the OK to > > > > > start > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a > > > little fun thing, to give away all the > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > from one of my > recent > > > projects, yet quibble over pixel widths on > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > pages with > branding, and > > > force a 12 month process when 2 weeks > > > > > would > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > be enough to make a > decision. > > > etc. A place of contradictions > > > > > where I > > > > > > > am a > > > > > > > > > minion. Some > things (only > > > some things) are not the best, but I'm > > > > > > > finding > > > > > > > > > (vaguely)a place > there. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a dabbler > in WE. In > > > and out like a yo yo - committed to OER > > > > > but > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > some other software > > > develiopers, mistaking a clear view of the goal > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > closeness of it. > Some of > > > your comments probably resonate about why > > > > > I > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > it hard at times in > the WE > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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