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--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 11:28 AM > I use Open Office to create tables. Open Office has an > export to media wiki. > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Rob... > > > > That's an easier table to use... > > > > Peter > > > > On Nov 4, 12:50 pm, "Robert Kruhlak" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > WE is running a simple table extension (formerly > called tabbeddata) > > > that makes it "simpler" to add data to > a table. > > > > > > To make a table that uses commas for separating > columns and <return> > > > for the rows, try: > > > > > > <tab sep=comma> > > > Hi, Hello, Yes > > > Bye, Good Night, No > > > </tab> > > > > > > You can find more information on the syntax and > examples at: > > > > > > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabbedData > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rob (aka Kruhly) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:37 AM, elizabeth mbasu > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'd like to fit my text in a table. How > do I do this so that it does > > not spread all over > > > > Liz > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> From: Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: > [WikiEducator] Re: Another Milestone > > > >> To: "WikiEducator" > <[email protected]> > > > >> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM > > > >> Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, > focus ebbs and > > > >> flows. so > > > >> sometimes putting energy into keeping > something relevant > > > >> and strong is > > > >> like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn > the damn thing > > > >> around, let the > > > >> node die... Don't forget the long > tail is forever... So > > > >> 20 years from > > > >> now any resource could again become > popular or through time > > > >> this > > > >> thread could be referenced many times... > ;) > > > > > > >> On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, "Leigh > Blackall" > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > "In the beginning there was > the word..." :) > > > > > > >> > In the begining there was the > Internet, and the > > > >> ability for people to > > > >> > publish on it and express > themselves. As epxressive > > > >> individuals they were > > > >> > small nodes, connected by way of > the Internet. When > > > >> their connections to > > > >> > other nodes become stronger, they > came closer > > > >> together. Over time (and all > > > >> > the right agreements) they become > close in fact they > > > >> were indistinguishable > > > >> > from one another. Indivdually they > grouped to form a > > > >> bigger node, but it is > > > >> > now slightly more difficult for > them to connect to new > > > >> nodes because more of > > > >> > their energy is spent refering to > each other and > > > >> keeping their bigger node > > > >> > connected and strong. They are > starting to loose the > > > >> benefit of being in a > > > >> > long tail > > > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail>. > > > > > > >> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, > Peter > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > Leigh, > > > > > > >> > > I get your point. And I do > agree with you that if > > > >> you don't facilitate > > > >> > > mash-up practices you reduce > connections, and > > > >> therefore the network > > > >> > > becomes smaller and > restrained... openness is the > > > >> way... I guess these > > > >> > > subtleties are why so much > discussion occurs > > > >> regarding the meaning of > > > >> > > open... > > > > > > >> > > I also get your point about > items that connect > > > >> nodes vs. being the > > > >> > > nodes themselves. All this > said I would think > > > >> that Lawrence Lessig at > > > >> > > one point would have been > considered a node > > > >> evangelizing the benefits > > > >> > > of a creative commons, through > time the CC has > > > >> become a part of the > > > >> > > conduit. Like flickr, it was > at one time a small > > > >> group hacking > > > >> > > together a photo sharing site > (there were a > > > >> group). Linux at one time > > > >> > > was an individual project... > So could it be that > > > >> all nodes or conduit > > > >> > > technologies start as > individuals or small > > > >> groups... I seek an example > > > >> > > where a network just appeared > without it first > > > >> being started by a > > > >> > > small group or individual... > > > > > > >> > > Cheers, Peter > > > > > > >> > > On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, > "Leigh Blackall" > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > Interesting Peter, I > hadn't considered > > > >> that list as nodes in a network. I > > > >> > > > suppose they are in some > ways, but I have > > > >> always considered them as the > > > >> > > > things that connect the > real nodes - the > > > >> platforms that facilitate > > > >> > > > communication between > nodes. > > > > > > >> > > > Take your K12 project on > WikiEd. I see that > > > >> as a node or nodes, both > > > >> > > > embodied in the content, > and in you as the > > > >> personal point of contact. K12 > > > >> > > > may someday connect with > a similar or > > > >> complimentary project on > > > >> > > Wikispaces.. > > > >> > > > with a particular blog > post.. a Youtube > > > >> video.. another individual who > > > >> > > works > > > >> > > > on her own space, but > through certain > > > >> technologies - feeds into K12... > > > >> > > etc. > > > >> > > > This same networking of > information and > > > >> people can happen inside a single > > > >> > > > platform such as > Wikieducator - but I would > > > >> question its capacities if it > > > >> > > > where only inside Wikied. > > > > > > >> > > > Things that make the > networked > > > >> "mission" succeed: Using > digital formats > > > >> > > > published openly online. > Use of CC By to > > > >> unrestrict reuse and sampling (I > > > >> > > > suspect copyright will be > a thing of the > > > >> past in the not too distant > > > >> > > future, > > > >> > > > if Google's approach > to it is anything > > > >> to go by). > > > > > > >> > > > Trappings that can undo > the flexibility of a > > > >> network: Prescribing certain > > > >> > > > practices - such as CC > By, Open Format > > > >> Standards or Open Source Software > > > >> > > (as > > > >> > > > much as I appreciate > their worth, the loss > > > >> in potential connections is > > > >> > > too > > > >> > > > great if we insist on > these too much). Not > > > >> facilitating "mashup" > > > >> > > practices > > > >> > > > (embedding 3rd party > media). Centralising > > > >> services. Policies that police, > > > >> > > > and so on. > > > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at > 7:12 AM, Peter > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > Leigh, > > > >> > > > > Most Excellent. I > agree its time for > > > >> those who have been following > > > >> > > > > this thread to watch > (or re-watch) the > > > >> Downes video; > > > > > > >> > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 > > > >> > > > > And I would agree I > see a GROUP > > > >> entrenching itself within WE. Not that > > > >> > > > > this is a bad thing, > it just is. > > > >> Though, I do believe a network > > > >> > > > > approach will have > greater success in > > > >> meeting the WE mission. WE can > > > >> > > > > only hope that the > council also sees it > > > >> this way, or maybe they will > > > >> > > > > see having a group > approach is best for > > > >> meeting the challenges of the > > > >> > > > > WE mission. I think > that encouraging a > > > >> NETWORK of educators to utilize > > > >> > > > > the WE > infrastructure, and then > > > >> everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out > > > >> > > > > of the way is the > best (re: like > > > >> WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group > > > >> > > > > vs. network and the > "ills" > > > >> within a group (control, resources, > etc...) > > > >> > > > > It makes me wonder > if this is how > > > >> Minhaaj sees profiteering? > > > > > > >> > > > > A few question that > come from all this; > > > >> Can a resource node on the > > > >> > > > > network be started > by a network? Or > > > >> have all resource nodes grown out > > > >> > > > > of the efforts of an > individual or > > > >> small group? If you look at the > > > >> > > > > current set or > resource nodes, most of > > > >> them grew from the efforts of > > > >> > > > > an individual or > small group. Maybe > > > >> this is the natural lifecycle of a > > > >> > > > > network node. And > the challenge for any > > > >> node is to transition from > > > >> > > > > starting as a group, > letting go, and > > > >> becoming a network node... > > > > > > >> > > > > (Examples of > resource nodes starting > > > >> from individuals or small groups > > > >> > > > > would be; Skype, > OCW, CCK08, Wikipedia, > > > >> Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, > > > >> > > > > CC...) So what do > you think, do all > > > >> network nodes start out as small > > > >> > > > > groups? > > > > > > >> > > > > As another Canadian, > Thank-you...I > > > >> certainly hope this thread plants > > > >> > > > > some seeds and > allows this important > > > >> discussion to become a part of > > > >> > > > > the WE > consciousness. > > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely, Peter > > > > > > >> > > > > On Nov 3, 1:06 am, > "Leigh > > > >> Blackall" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Peter, I sense > you have it. That > > > >> makes me happy :) > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am just back > from a walk in the > > > >> mountains, and struggle to find the > > > >> > > > > > motivation to > explain this any > > > >> more. I'm satisfied that I've at > least > > > >> > > > > > communicated my > thoughts to Peter, > > > >> and hope he'll carry the ball > > > >> > > further. > > > >> > > > > I > > > >> > > > > > will recommend > for a third time to > > > >> watch Downes video explaining the > > > >> > > > > tension > > > >> > > > > > between groups > and networks, and > > > >> reflect on the controlling > > > >> > > influences > > > >> > > > > that > > > >> > > > > > groups have on > us individually - > > > >> especially Wikieducator. Sorry if > > > >> > > you > > > >> > > > > all > > > >> > > > > > have watched it > - I just see > > > >> little evidence of it. > > > > > > >> > > > > > Legs so sore I > can barely keep the > > > >> laptop on my lap! Face burnt, > > > >> > > mouth > > > >> > > > > dry, > > > >> > > > > > boots wet. > I'll sleep well > > > >> tonight! > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, > 2008 at 6:18 AM, > > > >> Derek Chirnside > > > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Well well. > Saturday, 6.01am > > > >> here, just off to the Coast with two > > > >> > > > > bands, > > > >> > > > > > > one > classic rock and one > > > >> progressive rock to play 7 hours at the > > > >> > > Empire > > > >> > > > > > > Hotel > during the 6,000 people > > > >> Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever > > > >> > > > > disenhanced > > > >> > > > > > > (severely > today), and very > > > >> very tired after the decision this week > > > >> > > in > > > >> > > > > the > > > >> > > > > > > Moodle > trial here and the > > > >> huge amount of work leading up to this. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Then this > post comes. The > > > >> first words where I think I really can > > > >> > > > > engage > > > >> > > > > > > wkith this > fascinating > > > >> discussion, possibly at the risk of > missing > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > > > > point, but > I do have some > > > >> things to say. > > > >> > > > > > > I'm > based at an unusual > > > >> institution. They will give us the OK > to > > > >> > > start > > > >> > > > > of > > > >> > > > > > > > UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a > > > >> little fun thing, to give away all the > > > >> > > work > > > >> > > > > > > from one > of my recent > > > >> projects, yet quibble > > > > > > ... > > > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > -- > Leigh Blackall > +64(0)21736539 > skype - leigh_blackall > SL - Leroy Goalpost > http://learnonline.wordpress.com > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
