Thanks Rob. I will try this LIZ
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Robert Kruhlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Robert Kruhlak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: Reorganising my user page > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:50 AM > Hi Liz, > > WE is running a simple table extension (formerly called > tabbeddata) > that makes it "simpler" to add data to a table. > > To make a table that uses commas for separating columns and > <return> > for the rows, try: > > <tab sep=comma> > Hi, Hello, Yes > Bye, Good Night, No > </tab> > > You can find more information on the syntax and examples > at: > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabbedData > > Regards, > > Rob (aka Kruhly) > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:37 AM, elizabeth mbasu > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to fit my text in a table. How do I do > this so that it does not spread all over > > Liz > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> From: Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: !!RE: [WikiEducator] > Re: Another Milestone > >> To: "WikiEducator" > <[email protected]> > >> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 10:53 AM > >> Yes, but networks are organic and fluid, focus > ebbs and > >> flows. so > >> sometimes putting energy into keeping something > relevant > >> and strong is > >> like paddling a canoe up stream. Turn the damn > thing > >> around, let the > >> node die... Don't forget the long tail is > forever... So > >> 20 years from > >> now any resource could again become popular or > through time > >> this > >> thread could be referenced many times... ;) > >> > >> On Nov 3, 12:43 pm, "Leigh Blackall" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > "In the beginning there was the > word..." :) > >> > > >> > In the begining there was the Internet, and > the > >> ability for people to > >> > publish on it and express themselves. As > epxressive > >> individuals they were > >> > small nodes, connected by way of the > Internet. When > >> their connections to > >> > other nodes become stronger, they came closer > >> together. Over time (and all > >> > the right agreements) they become close in > fact they > >> were indistinguishable > >> > from one another. Indivdually they grouped to > form a > >> bigger node, but it is > >> > now slightly more difficult for them to > connect to new > >> nodes because more of > >> > their energy is spent refering to each other > and > >> keeping their bigger node > >> > connected and strong. They are starting to > loose the > >> benefit of being in a > >> > long tail > >> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Tail>. > >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Peter > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Leigh, > >> > > >> > > I get your point. And I do agree with > you that if > >> you don't facilitate > >> > > mash-up practices you reduce > connections, and > >> therefore the network > >> > > becomes smaller and restrained... > openness is the > >> way... I guess these > >> > > subtleties are why so much discussion > occurs > >> regarding the meaning of > >> > > open... > >> > > >> > > I also get your point about items that > connect > >> nodes vs. being the > >> > > nodes themselves. All this said I would > think > >> that Lawrence Lessig at > >> > > one point would have been considered a > node > >> evangelizing the benefits > >> > > of a creative commons, through time the > CC has > >> become a part of the > >> > > conduit. Like flickr, it was at one time > a small > >> group hacking > >> > > together a photo sharing site (there > were a > >> group). Linux at one time > >> > > was an individual project... So could it > be that > >> all nodes or conduit > >> > > technologies start as individuals or > small > >> groups... I seek an example > >> > > where a network just appeared without it > first > >> being started by a > >> > > small group or individual... > >> > > >> > > Cheers, Peter > >> > > >> > > On Nov 3, 12:00 pm, "Leigh > Blackall" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > Interesting Peter, I hadn't > considered > >> that list as nodes in a network. I > >> > > > suppose they are in some ways, but > I have > >> always considered them as the > >> > > > things that connect the real nodes > - the > >> platforms that facilitate > >> > > > communication between nodes. > >> > > >> > > > Take your K12 project on WikiEd. I > see that > >> as a node or nodes, both > >> > > > embodied in the content, and in you > as the > >> personal point of contact. K12 > >> > > > may someday connect with a similar > or > >> complimentary project on > >> > > Wikispaces.. > >> > > > with a particular blog post.. a > Youtube > >> video.. another individual who > >> > > works > >> > > > on her own space, but through > certain > >> technologies - feeds into K12... > >> > > etc. > >> > > > This same networking of information > and > >> people can happen inside a single > >> > > > platform such as Wikieducator - but > I would > >> question its capacities if it > >> > > > where only inside Wikied. > >> > > >> > > > Things that make the networked > >> "mission" succeed: Using digital formats > >> > > > published openly online. Use of CC > By to > >> unrestrict reuse and sampling (I > >> > > > suspect copyright will be a thing > of the > >> past in the not too distant > >> > > future, > >> > > > if Google's approach to it is > anything > >> to go by). > >> > > >> > > > Trappings that can undo the > flexibility of a > >> network: Prescribing certain > >> > > > practices - such as CC By, Open > Format > >> Standards or Open Source Software > >> > > (as > >> > > > much as I appreciate their worth, > the loss > >> in potential connections is > >> > > too > >> > > > great if we insist on these too > much). Not > >> facilitating "mashup" > >> > > practices > >> > > > (embedding 3rd party media). > Centralising > >> services. Policies that police, > >> > > > and so on. > >> > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, > Peter > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > Leigh, > >> > > > > Most Excellent. I agree its > time for > >> those who have been following > >> > > > > this thread to watch (or > re-watch) the > >> Downes video; > >> > > > > >> > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540 > >> > > > > And I would agree I see a > GROUP > >> entrenching itself within WE. Not that > >> > > > > this is a bad thing, it just > is. > >> Though, I do believe a network > >> > > > > approach will have greater > success in > >> meeting the WE mission. WE can > >> > > > > only hope that the council > also sees it > >> this way, or maybe they will > >> > > > > see having a group approach is > best for > >> meeting the challenges of the > >> > > > > WE mission. I think that > encouraging a > >> NETWORK of educators to utilize > >> > > > > the WE infrastructure, and > then > >> everyone (WE Council, Etc...) gets out > >> > > > > of the way is the best (re: > like > >> WIkiSpaces). In relation to the group > >> > > > > vs. network and the > "ills" > >> within a group (control, resources, etc...) > >> > > > > It makes me wonder if this is > how > >> Minhaaj sees profiteering? > >> > > >> > > > > A few question that come from > all this; > >> Can a resource node on the > >> > > > > network be started by a > network? Or > >> have all resource nodes grown out > >> > > > > of the efforts of an > individual or > >> small group? If you look at the > >> > > > > current set or resource nodes, > most of > >> them grew from the efforts of > >> > > > > an individual or small group. > Maybe > >> this is the natural lifecycle of a > >> > > > > network node. And the > challenge for any > >> node is to transition from > >> > > > > starting as a group, letting > go, and > >> becoming a network node... > >> > > >> > > > > (Examples of resource nodes > starting > >> from individuals or small groups > >> > > > > would be; Skype, OCW, CCK08, > Wikipedia, > >> Wikispaces, Delicious, Flickr, > >> > > > > CC...) So what do you think, > do all > >> network nodes start out as small > >> > > > > groups? > >> > > >> > > > > As another Canadian, > Thank-you...I > >> certainly hope this thread plants > >> > > > > some seeds and allows this > important > >> discussion to become a part of > >> > > > > the WE consciousness. > >> > > >> > > > > Sincerely, Peter > >> > > >> > > > > On Nov 3, 1:06 am, "Leigh > >> Blackall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> > > > > > Peter, I sense you have > it. That > >> makes me happy :) > >> > > >> > > > > > I am just back from a > walk in the > >> mountains, and struggle to find the > >> > > > > > motivation to explain > this any > >> more. I'm satisfied that I've at least > >> > > > > > communicated my thoughts > to Peter, > >> and hope he'll carry the ball > >> > > further. > >> > > > > I > >> > > > > > will recommend for a > third time to > >> watch Downes video explaining the > >> > > > > tension > >> > > > > > between groups and > networks, and > >> reflect on the controlling > >> > > influences > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > > groups have on us > individually - > >> especially Wikieducator. Sorry if > >> > > you > >> > > > > all > >> > > > > > have watched it - I just > see > >> little evidence of it. > >> > > >> > > > > > Legs so sore I can barely > keep the > >> laptop on my lap! Face burnt, > >> > > mouth > >> > > > > dry, > >> > > > > > boots wet. I'll sleep > well > >> tonight! > >> > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at > 6:18 AM, > >> Derek Chirnside > >> > > > > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > > Well well. > Saturday, 6.01am > >> here, just off to the Coast with two > >> > > > > bands, > >> > > > > > > one classic rock and > one > >> progressive rock to play 7 hours at the > >> > > Empire > >> > > > > > > Hotel during the > 6,000 people > >> Ross Fireworks Festival, hay fever > >> > > > > disenhanced > >> > > > > > > (severely today), > and very > >> very tired after the decision this week > >> > > in > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > Moodle trial here > and the > >> huge amount of work leading up to this. > >> > > >> > > > > > > Then this post > comes. The > >> first words where I think I really can > >> > > > > engage > >> > > > > > > wkith this > fascinating > >> discussion, possibly at the risk of missing > >> > > the > >> > > > > > > point, but I do have > some > >> things to say. > >> > > > > > > I'm based at an > unusual > >> institution. They will give us the OK to > >> > > start > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > UCTL.canterbury.ac.nz as a > >> little fun thing, to give away all the > >> > > work > >> > > > > > > from one of my > recent > >> projects, yet quibble over pixel widths on > >> > > > > learning > >> > > > > > > pages with branding, > and > >> force a 12 month process when 2 weeks > >> > > would > >> > > > > really > >> > > > > > > be enough to make a > decision. > >> etc. A place of contradictions > >> > > where I > >> > > > > am a > >> > > > > > > minion. Some things > (only > >> some things) are not the best, but I'm > >> > > > > finding > >> > > > > > > (vaguely)a place > there. > >> > > >> > > > > > > I'm a dabbler in > WE. In > >> and out like a yo yo - committed to OER > >> > > but > >> > > > > like > >> > > > > > > some other software > >> develiopers, mistaking a clear view of the goal > >> > > > > with the > >> > > > > > > closeness of it. > Some of > >> your comments probably resonate about why > >> > > I > >> > > > > find > >> > > > > > > it hard at times in > the WE > >> OER environment. > >> > > >> > > > > > > BUT: I can't > post now > >> more, got to pack trailors etc, and I'll be > >> > > away > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > > > any internet for 36 > hours. > >> > > > > > > The crunch came > three weeks > >> ago. I was off to do a reccee for the > >> > > Ross > >> > > > > > > trip to the Coast. > At 27 > >> hours notice I got a call to run 2 > >> > > Podcasting > >> > > > > > > workshops on the > coast. I > >> was already going, so hey, I thought, > >> > > lets > >> > > > > do it. > >> > > > > > > Where to put it was > my query? > >> WE was obvious. Checked out the > >> > > > > podcasting > >> > > > > > > stuff. Tried to > decide what > >> to do. Fiddle with it? Copy and > >> > > adapt > >> > > > > it? > >> > > > > > > Work with Podcasting > to > >> create Derek's Podcasting. I had no time > >> > > to do > >> > > > > it > >> > > > > > > this way. How to > name my > >> pages? How to cluster them? How much to > >> > > > > > > contextualise? Who > owns the > >> page 'podcasting workshop' and can I > >> > > > > fiddle > >> > > > > > > with it? Should I > start one > >> as well? > >> > > >> > > > > > > This is a trivial > context I > >> know, but they made me face a few of > >> > > these > >> > > > > > > questions you are > debating > >> here. > >> > > >> > > > > > > OK. Unfinished. > >> > > > > > > But I have broken > the ice. > >> I'll be back. > >> > > > > > > If the discussion > has not > >> moved on two much I'll post tomorrow > >> > > > > afternoon. > >> > > > > > > I may post even if > it has. > >> :-) > >> > > >> > > > > > > -Derek > >> > > >> > > > > > > 2008/10/31 Alex P. > Real > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Hi Leigh, > >> > > >> > > > > > >> Beautiful > response, I > >> really appreciate it <smile>. The scenario > >> > > > > > >> > >> product/maintainer/tradeoff is recurrent in many > realms, not > >> just > >> > > > > software. > >> > > > > > >> I can only agree > to your > >> reading on collaborative editing, the > >> > > main > >> > > > > reason > >> > > > > > >> why I've > refrained > >> from contributing contents, to see how things > >> > > work > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > >> avoid potential > >> uneasiness > >> > > >> > ... > >> > > >> > read more ยป > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Kruhlak > Burnaby, BC > CANADA > (M) +1 778 230 1875 > (E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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