On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 01:31, Steven Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > Alot of passionate opinion here, alot has been shared, to get back to > the point I was originally making that contentious issues need a > platform with 'Climategate' as an example for those who are still > interested in what's happening.
Every element of this story is contradicted by other stories. I think we can agree that at least one side is lying or deluded. Now we have to determine which. How would you suggest we go about it? We could set up a set of Wiki pages for the facts, the charges and countercharges, and how we might teach this controversy. > The Telegraph and Times have published this article on the University > of East Anglia destroying the climate data for the past 150 years upon > being pressed under the Freedom of Information act. Pretty shocking to > me that this has occurred preventing other scientists to verify the > results. > > Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation > Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed > to get away with the Climategate whitewash, says Christopher Booker. > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html > > Climate change data dumped > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece "The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building." Do you think they are lying? > “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling > questions and resolving debates with science,” he said." > > "(Jones) He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is > “unequivocally” linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by > humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by > the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global > warming is a threat to humanity." > > Also other IPCC scientists are turning on each other. Dr. Eduardo > Zorita writes: “CRU files: Why I think that Michael Mann (Of Hockey > Stick debacle fame), Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred > from the IPCC process.” > > "These words do not mean that I think anthropogenic climate change is > a hoax. On the contrary, it is a question which we have to be very > well aware of. But I am also aware that in this thick atmosphere -and > I am not speaking of greenhouse gases now- editors, reviewers and > authors of alternative studies, analysis, interpretations,even based > on the same data we have at our disposal, have been bullied and subtly > blackmailed. In this atmosphere, Ph D students are often tempted to > tweak their data so as to fit the 'politically correct picture'. Some, > or many issues, about climate change are still not well known. Policy > makers should be aware of the attempts to hide these uncertainties > under a unified picture. I had the 'pleasure' to experience all this > in my area of research." So you reckon he' > http://coast.gkss.de/staff/zorita/myview.html > > Doesn't surprise me. Lots more revelations to come, great resources to > talk around the science and politics of climate change with students. > > Cheers > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]
