OK, but not until I get up tomorrow morning. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 02:34, NELLIE DEUTSCH <[email protected]> wrote: > Edward, > Let's stop speculating and let's start moving. We can always edit and make > changes; after all that's the wiki way on WikiEducator. > Warm wishes, > Nellie Deutsch > Sharing is Caring! > Doctoral Student > Educational Leadership > Curriculum and Instruction > Integrating Technology for Active Life-long Learning (IT4ALL) > http://www.integrating-technology.com/pd > Get ready for CO10 at WiZiQ: http://connecting-online.ning.com/ > Free online workshops using WiZiQ: http://www.wikieducator.org/Workshops > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Edward Cherlin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 01:31, Steven Parker <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Alot of passionate opinion here, alot has been shared, to get back to >> > the point I was originally making that contentious issues need a >> > platform with 'Climategate' as an example for those who are still >> > interested in what's happening. >> >> Every element of this story is contradicted by other stories. I think >> we can agree that at least one side is lying or deluded. Now we have >> to determine which. How would you suggest we go about it? We could set >> up a set of Wiki pages for the facts, the charges and countercharges, >> and how we might teach this controversy. >> >> > The Telegraph and Times have published this article on the University >> > of East Anglia destroying the climate data for the past 150 years upon >> > being pressed under the Freedom of Information act. Pretty shocking to >> > me that this has occurred preventing other scientists to verify the >> > results. >> > >> > Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation >> > Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed >> > to get away with the Climategate whitewash, says Christopher Booker. >> > >> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html >> > >> > Climate change data dumped >> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece >> >> "The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and >> then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were >> collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored >> on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU >> moved to a new building." >> >> Do you think they are lying? >> >> > “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling >> > questions and resolving debates with science,” he said." >> > >> > "(Jones) He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is >> > “unequivocally” linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by >> > humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by >> > the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global >> > warming is a threat to humanity." >> > >> > Also other IPCC scientists are turning on each other. Dr. Eduardo >> > Zorita writes: “CRU files: Why I think that Michael Mann (Of Hockey >> > Stick debacle fame), Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred >> > from the IPCC process.” >> > >> > "These words do not mean that I think anthropogenic climate change is >> > a hoax. On the contrary, it is a question which we have to be very >> > well aware of. But I am also aware that in this thick atmosphere -and >> > I am not speaking of greenhouse gases now- editors, reviewers and >> > authors of alternative studies, analysis, interpretations,even based >> > on the same data we have at our disposal, have been bullied and subtly >> > blackmailed. In this atmosphere, Ph D students are often tempted to >> > tweak their data so as to fit the 'politically correct picture'. Some, >> > or many issues, about climate change are still not well known. Policy >> > makers should be aware of the attempts to hide these uncertainties >> > under a unified picture. I had the 'pleasure' to experience all this >> > in my area of research." >> >> So you reckon he' >> > http://coast.gkss.de/staff/zorita/myview.html >> > >> > Doesn't surprise me. Lots more revelations to come, great resources to >> > talk around the science and politics of climate change with students. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >> > To visit the discussion forum: >> > http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin >> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. >> http://www.earthtreasury.org/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >> To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]
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