Hi Mykola, I would encourage WLX Jury Tool to follow suit and provide a similar option to give easy openness to its users. There is no obligation to use either or any tool. This overview is just a convenient way to make it easier for organizers to be transparent.
Lodewijk On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:49 AM Mykola Kozlenko <mycol...@ukr.net> wrote: > Hi Lodewijk, > > As we intend to use WLX Jury Tool and not Montage in Ukraine, what is > expected from us? > > We always publish the list of our jury members here: > http://wlm.org.ua/juri/ , you can see all our jury members between 2012 > and 2019. The 2020 list is still being finalised as we are still waiting > for final confirmations, but we will also publish it as we did in previous > years. > > On the other side, as we have 47.5K images in Ukraine, we will have to > organise multiple rounds, including checking the images before submitting > them to the jury (as no jury is able to review that many images) and > possibly a final call between jury members to distribute places among the > top photos. We are happy to explain our selection process but we may not > have the same details as for the teams using Montage. > > Best regards > Mykola (NickK) > WLM Ukraine team > > --- Оригінальне повідомлення --- > Від кого: "effe iets anders" <effeietsand...@gmail.com> > Дата: 1 жовтня 2020, 00:49:56 > > Hi all, > > After getting feedback both on- and offlist, we arrived at the following: > the Montage developers will make a page available to each jury coordinator, > that they can copy and paste to a wiki page to share their process settings > easily. That way it's easy to be transparent. At some point in the future, > we will likely make this public by default. > > I do express the expectation that each national coordinator will publish > their jury members (either real life name or username). It may well be that > we ask you to submit this list of jurors when you submit your nominees > (although we will not publish it on your behalf, that is your > responsibility). > > Warmly, > Lodewijk > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:01 PM effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > All great suggestions. > > In the past the WLM international team has also maintained a database of > jurors to be backup. We had very little requests in recent years though, > probably because so many people know organizers form other countries. If > you're stuck, I would suggest to either ask someone you already know, or to > ask this list. Most likely you have a response within 48h. But don't wait > until the last minute, if you can avoid it. Jurors typically like a week to > get things done (if the country isn't huge). > > Lodewijk > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 3:48 AM Rebecca O'Neill <rebeccanin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thank you Yaroslav, I will send you a separate email now! > > Having the WLE team setting up a pool of jurors like that was so helpful > Anton. Yes, I could find the names and email other WLM organisers, but this > system took that extra work away from me - which was hugely appreciated, > especially in our first year! > > On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 11:45, Anton Protsiuk < > anton.prots...@wikimedia.org.ua> wrote: > > The international WLE team this year has tried to create a database of > jurors from different countries for local contests. We had a Google form > for these purposes (https://forms.gle/Pj61adjgYiE6Jn687) & asked local > teams whether they needed help with jury. > We haven't estimated the results yet, since the local selection process is > still ongoing, but it seems to have worked well. > > Best Regards > Anton Protsiuk > Project Manager at Wikimedia Ukraine > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If WLM Ireland is in September I can help as a juror. If it is in October > this could be more difficult because I am also in the jury for Russia, and > there is typically a lot of work there. > > Generally, asking around (may be also on Commons) typically helps. In the > past I have been on jury for a few different countries. Somebody would just > approach me and ask.If I can make it, I agree. > > Yaroslav > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mārtiņš Bruņenieks <marti...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi, Rebecca! > > I have organized multiple WLM/WLE editions in Latvia. We have used Montage > in most of them. > After experiencing problems with jurors dropping out or being known at the > last moment, we created new Wikimedia accounts just for the jury and sent > the passwords to them. > > Montage allows some editing of jurors after the round has started but > results can be unexpected. > > Mārtiņš > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 2:13 AM Rebecca O'Neill <rebeccanin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Lodewijk, > > As a slight aside to this, and perhaps something that might help ease some > of the worries around judging processes in other countries, would it be an > idea to have a pool of international WLM Wikimedia jurors that could help > judge other countries? Here in Ireland we have done this with Malta, > exchanging jurors over the past few years, and for our first WLE this year > we had Axel from Sweden be on our jury. You get the benefit of a fellow > Wikimedian who understands the whole process, and who could bring some > different expertise or perspective to a country's WLM. Having someone who > is completely unfamiliar with your local built heritage means they can > assess the images with a different take than someone who knows them very > well. > > After 6 years, we have found it harder to recruit a jury from our pool of > active Wikimedians and relevant expert judges from the arts and > architecture sectors in Ireland. I know I would really appreciate it if we > could "borrow" a juror from another Wikimedia group (in the past we have > had some UK help with this too with jurors). We have suffered from jurors > dropping out of the process at the last minute or after judging has begun > (which results in having to restart rounds in Montage), generally it has > been those who are not Wikimedians who perhaps did not fully understand the > commitment when they agreed. Not only is it frustrating, it's very > stressful. It may be less of an issue this year, given that the deadline > for submitting to the international jury won't be at the end of October. > > Hope that helps clarify some of the issues some of the smaller countries > can face over the years of WLM! > Thanks, > Rebecca > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 23:57, effe iets anders <effeietsand...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Alexander, > > As for the status of Montage requests: I suggest that you start a separate > thread on that, and would like to leave this to the maintainers to respond > to. > > As for publishing the settings: I was imagining some kind of log-style > publication, not a near write-up. This won't be pretty, but it will allow > people to figure out how it worked out in practice. If we follow a logical > naming convention, people should be able to puzzle it together. Ideally, > the national organizers also publish their process on the website, but this > log would be a way to verify that. But I accept your note that we may need > to add a context explaining that more process may happen before/after this > tool is used. > > Lodewijk > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:17 PM Alexander Tsirlin <altsir...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear Lodewijk, > > We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage jury > tool, and the number of photos in each round that the national competitions > have used. We're debating whether there should be an opt-out for this year. > > This is unrealistic, because jury process may involve several campaigns > that are later merged together (in Russia, we do it all the time in order > to meet your submission deadline). Moreover, some of the photos can be > accepted for the next round within Montage but excluded later on if we find > that they do not depict cultural heritage. The end result is that any > number you take from Montage will not match the number of photos that we > publish (e.g., as a short-list). This will only lead to confusion and won't > be of any use for anyone. > > Since you mentioned Montage, let me also ask when two important pull > requests, which were done by one of our team members, are going to be > merged into the code: > https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/169 > https://github.com/hatnote/montage/pull/175 > These are really, really important fixes. Without them I would have a > problem creating new Montage campaigns in October. > > Sincerely, > Alexander > > > On 9/2/2020 11:49 PM, effe iets anders wrote: > > Hi all, > > over the past years, we have had various requests to encourage national > organizers to be transparent in their judging processes and who sits on > their jury. Most of the national organizers are currently transparent about > this already. In the past weeks/month, more conversation around this has > continued with some concerns (valid or not) on certain jury processes. > > In this light, the international team intends to institute a new > expectation for national organizers, namely to publish the members of their > jury (be it their username or real life name) at some point. We have not > figured out the practical details yet, but I can imagine that while we > encourage publication on the website, we would ask national organizers to > add a list of jury members to their submission to the international jury - > which we then will publish as well. > > We also intend to publish by default the settings of the montage jury > tool, and the number of photos in each round that the national competitions > have used. We're debating whether there should be an opt-out for this year. > > We will of course apply at least the same level of transparency to the > international jury. > > Before we make this decision, I would like to ask for feedback on this, > and whether there are edge cases we should consider where such transparency > would be harmful. I'll take 1 week to gather some feedback on this, and > then we'll make a final decision. 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