Dear Jan-Bart,
Unfortunately the exact wordings was "I'll point out also that there are zero 
real-world implications for the survey results".

Because we all agree that there is now such thing like a zero real-world impact 
survey, we really hope that the raw results of this survey will be made as 
public as possible (privacy issue), and that in the future , survey including 
question about WMF partners (chapters are not the only ones) will be done since 
the very beginning in collaboration with all the partners involved.



Charles ANDRES, Chairman
"Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
Skype: charles.andres.wmch

Le 12 sept. 2012 à 16:14, Jan-Bart de Vreede <> a écrit :

> Hey
> So I might have missed some mails on this thread (perhaps because they were 
> not posted on this public list) but I highly doubt that Sue perform surveys 
> that do not have a real-world impact on our operations. I know that the 
> results of the previous surveys were used in several discussions (including 
> at a board level) in order to provide more insight….
> On the other hand, using these surveys to gain more insight is not the same 
> as using them to "hold each other accountable" which is sometimes easy to do. 
> Every survey (and questions) has a lots of interpretation magic which can 
> easily lead you astray, but I don't have to tell you (the community) this :)
> Jan-Bart
> On 10 Sep 2012, at 23:01, Delphine Ménard <> wrote:
>> Contrarily to Sue, I do
>> think that these surveys (should) have a real-world impact and
>> (should) keep us all on our toes, fine tuned to the critisicism, needs
>> and wishes of the editors of the WIkimedia projects. As such I expect
>> us to make sure that we do get as precise a picture as possible of
>> what those are.
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